Mr. Bojang, thanks for your response but I think we are splitting hairs
here.  You said, "I think the president have the right to hire/fire any
misiters he thinks fits him. He does not have to explain if it is his
personal reason..."

We are on the same page, for Yaya has never explained his firings anywhere.
As a public servant, you have to explain ALL hirings and firings, the reason
he announces his hirings.  If you say he does not have to explain when it is
personal, then in essence you are saying it is his business.  And I am
saying to you that cannot be.  If he does that with his Tailor yes it is his
business.  However, if he is hiring or firing someone paid by our taxed
dalasi, to handle our affairs, then it is no longer his personal business.
Thus, the reason why I said that you are giving him powers that he does not
have and should not have.  By hiring these people he in essence told all
Gambians that the person is qualified and it is announced and a ceremony is
performed.  If he fires them for any reason, he has to tell the nation why.
What's going on in Gambia is very abnormal.  Folks are fired with no
explanation given and the fired keep quiet forever after.  Very abnormal.

Chi Jaama

Joe Sambou







>From: Ousman bojang <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil Service?
>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:55:52 -0500
>
>Mr. Sambou,
>With all respect, I have not said what you said.  this is what you said:
>
>"How can he say
>that hirings and firings by Yaya is Yaya's business.  No, it's not
>Yaya's business but the people of the Gambia's.  Gambia is not Yaya's
>personal property and I seriously believe Ousman does not believe that
>either...
>
>What I said was:
>
>I do not subcribe to removing ministers for reasons which could be
>criminal
>without explaining to the nation. None the less, I think the president
>have
>the right to hire/fire any misiters he thinks fits him. He does not
>have to
>explain if it is his personal reason...
>
>On having the Gambians at heart, I think you are wrong to think or even
>feel that you have the Gambian at heart than any other Gambian. We are
>better off passing that grade level now. The gambia is important to you
>just as to any of us here. Just because we disagree on issues, does not
>mean that you or I or anyone here have the interest of the nation
>better than anyone else. How about the few who against most odds still
>went home and left the greener pasteurs behind? How could you or I
>think that we have the interest of the nation more than those we left
>behind? So Mr. Sambou, try to avoid making such statements to any
>Gambian. What I said on the civil servants was:
>"On the civil servants, i think a different measuring stick need to be
>used.
>No civil servant should be fired for jsut persoanl reasons being
>political
>or not. I think such affected folks should be able to challenege such
>actions unless if they thought or knew that they did something really
>bad....
>
>Dr. Jaiteh, what I meant by saying that is the president's business to
>hire and fire his political appointees is, if he feels that they do not
>serve his interest which I think is the interest of the nation too,
>then he should be able to fire them.He is elected to serve the nation
>and I think he is doing how best he knows to do it. Some might disagree
>with him, but most of the Gambians like me believe he is doing exactly
>that. One thing we need to understand is that we do not have a law
>where we confirm our political  appointees and if they are to be fired,
>then how much say do we have as citizens? I will suggest we try to
>introduce some kind of provision to our system where we have a say of
>who is appointed. Only then could we have some control over how the
>replacement of such appointees are done. By the way, is there any
>country anyone here knows where no changes are done in ministerial
>level positions?
>My best regards to the family. Ramadan Mubarak to you all.
>
>Ousman Jallow Bojang.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:17 pm
>Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil Service?
>
> > Malanding, I toast to that.  It is becoming a norm for supporters
> > of Yaya to
> > endorse everything Yaya, without any regard for Gambians.  Ousman
> > clearlydid not have Gambians in mind, but to stroke Yaya's ego.
> > How can he say
> > that hirings and firings by Yaya is Yaya's business.  No, it's not
> > Yaya'sbusiness but the people of the Gambia's.  Gambia is not
> > Yaya's personal
> > property and I seriously believe Ousman does not believe that
> > either.  Why
> > he is saying that, beats me.
> >
> > Chi Jaama
> >
> > Joe Sambou
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil Service?
> > >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:35:03 -0500
> > >
> > >Ousman,
> > >This is where I beg to differ with you.
> > >
> > >I believe that Gambian people's right to know about who Jammeh
> > fires or
> > >hires and why must supersede any right Jammeh has vested in him.
> > Also as
> > >far
> > >as the service of the Government and the people of the Gambia is
> > concern,>there is no place for personal reasons when it comes to
> > hire and fire. It
> > >should be for reasons of national interest plain and simple.
> > >
> > >Even where there is no specific requirement for him to consult
> > with the
> > >public he should go out of his way and do so. It can only
> > strengthen the
> > >people's confidence in him and his government. Afterall, a
> > principled CEO
> > >must have and present compelling reasons before the shareholders
> > (in this
> > >case the citizens) before hiring or firing executives. This is in
> > >accordance
> > >with common sense good practice.
> > >
> > >As regards the civil servants, I hope we recognize each time a
> > senior civil
> > >servant with a degree or two and a decade or more experience is
> > fired, the
> > >Gambia lose millions of Dalasi both in terms of money spent on
> > training and
> > >loss of productivity.  Furthermore the colleagues they leave
> > behind would
> > >be
> > >even more reluctant to give all they have for one simple reason:
> > "eat drink
> > >and be merry for tomorrow you may ....".
> > >
> > >A Ramadan Kareem.
> > >
> > >Malanding
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of [log in to unmask]
> > >Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:30 PM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil Service?
> > >
> > >
> > >Gassama,
> > >Once again, thanks a lot for your clarifications. I hope we as
> > Gambians>understand that changes are not always bad. For one
> > reason or another, our
> > >intellectuals are so much afraid of change, or should I say fear of
> > >challenges at times. What is wrong in changing ministers some of
> > whom have
> > >served for atleast 4-5 years? Most well educated people are so
> > proud to
> > >leave after serving at such capacities to be able to go on and
> > add that to
> > >their resumes. I have witnessed family members and friends
> > mourning after a
> > >relative/friedn has been removed from ministerial positions, but I
> > >ceratinly cannot understand that. Can't such people do other
> > trhings like
> > >teaching or even work for NGO's and international compabies? Come
> > on now,
> > >no condition is permanent we are alwys thought.
> > >I do not subcribe to removing ministers for reasons which could
> > be criminal
> > >without explaining to the nation. None the less, I think the
> > president have
> > >the right to hire/fire any misiters he thinks fits him. He does
> > not have to
> > >explain if it is his personal reason. They could just be asked ro
> > resign.>On the civil servants, i think a different measuring stick
> > need to be used.
> > >No civil servant should be fired for jsut persoanl reasons being
> > political>or not. I think such affected folks should be able to
> > challenege such
> > >actions unless if they thought or knew that they did something
> > really bad.
> > >And for some reason, I am very skeptical when such people do not
> > even come
> > >forward in public to talk. Then I think there mihgt be soemthing
> > wrong, and
> > >I may be wrong.
> > >The Gambia-L is well known for making so much noise when any
> > changes in
> > >ministerial levels are made. Again, knowing the compostion of the
> > >subcribers I am not surprised. I think if any of us here were the
> > leader of
> > >that nation, we would also fire anyone whom we do not think is
> > ready to
> > >work and promote our program of national development with us. And
> > this goes
> > >to any nation or leader on the face of the earth.
> > >
> > >Ousman Jallow Bojang.
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