Hamjatta, if I were you, I will ignore Jobe's tirades and his name calling
once you unmasked his gullibility and lies. Giving AFPRC/APRC credit for
'good governance' is a mockery to democracy. Is this not the government that
breaks our Constitution willy-nilly on a daily basis? We are still being
ruled by Decrees such as Decree 89 and the latest Indemnity Decree passed by
parliament in order to thwart the wheels of justice. Who is Jobe kidding
when he peddles these theoretical garbage and submit that AFPRC/APRC has
high marks on governance? He is miffed because you caught him trying to
doctor the history of our country.

He also tries to make a big meal about the theoretical safeguards his
government puts in place in order to stop the vice of cross-carpeting. Who
is Jobe kidding again? Was he not in Gambia to see the strong armed tactics
employed by Buba Baldeh and his cohorts over the NRP MP from Kiang? Did
Baldeh not try to get that gentleman to cross over to the APRC? Why did Jobe
not complain about that to Baldeh or the APRC stalwarts? Is his party not
the party that go around telling voters that Opposition MPs cannot 'develop'
their constituencies? Therefore voters should vote for candidates belonging
to the government of the day. If this is not encouraging cross-carpeting,
what is?

Let Jobe give us a break. All these theoretical safeguards do not mean a
thing to the Dictatorship back home. The Secretaries of State are supposed
to be neutral under the Constitution. Civil servants are supposed to be
neutral too. Who make out the bulk of the entourage at APRC rallies? Same
Secretaries of State that were NOT chosen from parliament so that they can
be neutral. Some of them are even more loyal to Yaya and sings his praises
more than some of the MPs. What is Baba Jobe's job? Is he not supposed to be
a neutral civil servant?

Jobe should be talking about reality and what is ACTUALLY going on, rather
than giving us some bogus theoretical safeguards that mean nothing to
Dictator Yaya and his cohorts. Hamjatta, find solace in the fact that you
are not the first and will not be the last person Jobe throws such language
at. The man has lost his mind. He unashamedly support child murderers and
yet brand as insane  and hateful, people that want the lawlessness and
mayhem to cease. As I said before, to the Jobes of this world, the world has
turned upside down.
KB


>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Why I can still support the APRC Government despite...Pt4
>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 11:53:04 -0000
>
>Hamjatta, you wrote:
>
>"Hamjatta: Here you are not only lying but have garbled certain historical
>facts.First, Gabriel Roberts wasn't the chairman of the Consitutional
>Review
>Commission [CRC]. Instead, it was headed by a Ghanaian judge by the name of
>Justice Quaye. Sencondly, it was not an allegation that the draft
>consitution was doctored: it was based on the testimony of Gabrial Roberts,
>[in an interview with the Daily bserver], a key member of the CRC, in an
>interview with the Daily Observer shortly after he was named the chairman
>of
>the Provisional Independent Electoral Commission [PIEC]. Roberts DID say
>that the draft they handed to the AFPRC recommended a two term presidency
>of
>5 yeears each and the age of the president should be at least 40 years of
>age. Since this was counter to their aspirations and or agenda, it was
>expunged from the
>midst of the draft that was later thrown at the unsuspecting Gambian
>public.
>So it is NOT an allegation to say that the 1997 constitution was
>doctored/tailored to suit the AFPRC's ambitions and or agenda. You might
>want to have a quiet word with Roberts on this. After all, he is on your
>payroll".
>
>Hamjatta, saying that Gabriel Roberts was the chairman of the CRC is an
>error on my part. However that Roberts made these revelations about the
>doctoring of the CRC interim report, is news to me. Perhaps you or Ebrima
>can provide specific references. Your absurd insinuation in the last
>sentence of the above section will be taken with a pinch of salt.
>
>You again wrote:
>
>"Hamjatta: Where did you get the absurd notion that parliament is "an
>independent arm of government"? From Jammeh himself, no doubt! Or might
>that
>just be a Freudian Slip on your part, since this is precisely what
>currently
>prevails in the Gambia? For an apparently intelligent man, you are capable
>of uttering garbage and silly stuff. For your information, parliament is
>the
>legislative arm of the State and in a clearly demarcated democratic polity
>which has strong checks and balances, is independent of the gov't of the
>day
>- well, at least in theory. There is an enormous difference between the
>notions or phenomena of the State and the gov't. The State is the body
>politic of a collectivity or society in practical continuity whilst
>government refers to those mandated to govern the State of affairs of a
>polity whose legitimacy is assured through periodic consultation of the
>consent of those governed and living in the said polity. You might want to
>go back being a sophomore and study some basic gov't texts. Or you will
>continue to make a fumbling ass of yourself".
>
>Hamjatta you are not only a self-opionated idiot, but a narrow minded one
>for that matter. That parliament is the lesgislative arm of government was
>pointed out by me on a number of occasions. The point I was trying to make
>is that successive parliaments failed their representatives time and again.
>That parliament's effectiveness in providing checks and balances were
>severely eroded by the cross-carpet phenomenon and that many of our past
>members of parliament changed allegiance to the ruling part, not out of
>conviction, but out of greed. I was also trying to say that the president
>was effectively leading a one party state even though he did not legislate
>it as other dictators did. Period.
>
>You also wrote:
>
>"Jobe": The build-up to the ushering in of the second republic also saw the
>formation of the UDP and NRP parties and resumption of party politics by
>the
>PDOIS. The former having been banned earlier was not allowed to contest.
>The
>political campaign was nasty, to say the least. There were frequent clashes
>between the APRC and UDP supporters and their militants. The APRC
>campaigned
>openly with the security forces and a massive following of civil servants.
>The UDP was prevented from using the public media, allegedly for their
>insults and incitement of people. The security forces severely harassed the
>UDP supporters, arresting their key members, often for weeks contrary to
>the
>constitution. Journalists, considered to be sympathetic to the UDP, were
>constantly picked up, detained or deported if they were foreigners. The UDP
>militants also retaliated with more insults and inter-party fights became
>common. Some international observers withdrew from the country saying that
>the elections cannot be regarded as free and fair considering the virtual
>monopoly of the public media, which incidentally had nationwide coverage,
>by
>the APRC. When Yahya coughed, it made the headlines. This nasty situation
>continued throughout the campaign period and beyond".
>
>"Hamjatta: In light of that heavy indictment of the AFPRC and its mutation
>APRC, are you still willing to wager your integrity any further by calling
>the freakish presidential elections of 1996, free and fair? If not, why do
>you still think that the APRC is a legitimate gov't? Having said all that
>you said above and in lieu of the procedural discrepancies that dogged the
>electoral process throughout the so-called "transition period", do you
>still
>believe that Jammeh had really "won" that freakish presidential elections
>of
>1996?"
>
>Precisely. Hamjatta precisely. That I am still willing to wager my
>integrity
>despite the above? You can bet on that. Some of the reasons I will put
>forward for still supporting the APRC have already been supplied by you and
>some other myopic bigots in your camp. This, I will do after concluding my
>opinion of the political situation in the country.
>
>As for the legitimacy of the government, that's not in doubt. The whole
>world, including the opposition party/parties you support also think so.
>
>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: Hamjatta Kanteh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> ><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Why I can still support the APRC Government despite...Pt4
>>Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 01:40:44 EDT
>>
>>"Jobe": << This committee, under the chairmanship of Mr.
>>Gabriel Roberts, now the chairman of the IEC, also did their job as
>> >mandated
>>and handed their to the AFPRC.
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