Ginny:
Your load of crap will have to be dumped back where you dug it from
and that is  where the hill-billies dig a pile in Clarksville, TN. I
am not claiming to know you, just suggesting where to take your crap.
Yes, I know your point is that "some Gambians are stupid because they
think Halifa is perfect." I am here to tell not one Gambian is that
dumb and for you to insinuate that is a load of crap. Now, that back!

-Abdoulie
  Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2009, at 22:55, Ginny Quick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I find it interesting that although I didn't agree with Halifa's
> motives being questioned, etc., all anyone could focus on was my
> "vantage point" and take that to mean that I somehow thought that my
> opinion was superior to Gambians because I used the word "vantage
> point".  And oh yes, fixating on my use of the term "sliced bread".
> And I'd go back to Clarksville if I could, but that's about 800 miles
> from where I'm currently living now.  I love it when people try to
> insult you and they end up showing just how little they know about
> you, and making themselves look utterly foolish in the process by
> using words like "hibbies", i.e., Ginny I'm pissed and I'm back.
> Please do not insult our intelligence again with such load of crap.
> Take that back to Clarksville will ya. I'm sure hibbies will jump on
> it in a jiffy. God!"
>
> And what is a hibbie?  (running to find a dictionary)
>
> I find this to be a bit humorous, and you've once again proven my
> point, thanks.
>
> Just for the record, I'm not criticizing Halifa in this case, however,
> I'm criticizing how others react to criticism of him.  Let me also
> state that I do not question his motives.  I don't think he was acting
> in his own self-interest when he went on the fact-finding mission and
> was later arrested and charged.  And I disagree with anyone who wants
> to insinuate that he was somehow trying to better himself politically
> by doing so, and that if he'd known he was going to get arrested, he'd
> have not gone on said fact-finding mission.
>
> I guess that's a load of crap?
>
> Ginny
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/16/09, bailo jallow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Say Amen, Suntou.
>>
>> Bailo
>>
>> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Muhammed Drammeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Muhammed Drammeh <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 4:57 PM
>>
>> Hi Suntu
>>
>> I think you are suffering from inferiority complex. May Allah help
>> you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Muhammad Bai Drammeh Bin Alhagie Sheihu Muhammad Lamin Drammeh Bin
>> Muhammad
>> Kanday Drammeh bin Muhammad Kissima Drammeh bin Foday Drammeh
>>
>> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> From: SUNTOU TOURAY <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 4:49 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Buharry, Thanks for the enquiry. As you rightly said, i did mention
>> that He
>> stood up to bully. But you have to remember, that statement was
>> based on the
>> initial news stories conveying the manners of his arrest.
>> After evaluating all his comments pre and post his release, I have
>> no doubt
>> that, there is a likelihood of political point scoring.
>> Again. if you read my comments properly, you would identify my
>> giving credit
>> to the man for some issues and hoping that, the noise that his arrest
>> generated wasn't going to die down with the soundbites.
>> I have seen few postings in praise of the bravery and gallantry of
>> Halifa, i
>> did not dispute all of that. But the fact that he utilise the media
>> more
>> than the other leaders doesn't make him the only opposition leader
>> to have
>> spoken on the subject or even did personal enquiry of the people
>> affected.
>> Halifa as a politician knows how to use the media to his advantage,
>> thus
>> feeding the frenzy and hysteria that always surrounds him from the
>> few key
>> drum beat party followers that feed on his every word. This is not
>> bad in
>> itself, but on serious matters like this, political point scoring
>> are not
>> what is appropriate.
>> I did not write the piece Buharry to make any one wary of Halifa, but
>> leaving politicians and their comments go unchecked is dangerous.
>> Yes, i
>> know also, some will use every corner to try twist the message in
>> my piece
>> in an attempt to discredit the analysis, but again, that is
>> expected in
>> political dialogue. I am questioning Halifa the politician Buharry,
>> i hope
>> you see it from that angle, just like the politicians in Sweden and
>> England
>> are question for their motives. I know the usual suspects will
>> continue to
>> come out until they feel, they have exonerate the man. But the fact
>> remains,
>> Halifa will always be scrutinise just like other politicians.
>> Thanks
>> suntou
>>
>> --- On Thu, 16/4/09, Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Momodou Buharry Gassama <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Thursday, 16 April, 2009, 12:18 AM
>>
>> Hi Suntou!
>> I remember you praising Halifa for "standing up to the bully" after
>> concurring with Modou Mboge in an earlier post that "the community
>> leaders, the women leaders, political leaders etc are all mute but a
>> few. The silence is killing." You even went further stating: "Modou,
>> you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds of
>> Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back
>> home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend
>> the
>> system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in
>> the
>> G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do
>> you
>> think will happen when they go to the Gambia?" That is why I have
>> trouble reconciling those positions with your latest position on
>> Halifa's stance insinuating that he had ulterior motives in "standing
>> up to the bully" after all but a few of the leaders and Diasporans
>> kept
>> quiet. Do you see the contradictions? First, all but few of the
>> leaders
>> and others who should speak out against what was going on kept quiet
>> and thus failed in their responsibilities. Then Halifa spoke and
>> took a
>> move that landed him at Mile Two and you praised him for "standing up
>> to the bully". Now you claim that he had ulterior motives for
>> "standing
>> up to the bully". Can you please help me understand how you came to
>> your conclusion? What do you base your insinuations on? I want to
>> keep
>> an open mind and maybe even re-evaluate my position on Halifa should
>> you be able to throw some light on your claim that he had ulterior
>> motives for doing what he did. Thanks.
>> Buharry.
>> P.S.
>> Please find the posts I quoted from below.
>> D.S.
>> ------------------
>> From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]]
>> Date: 2009-03-11 23:18
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: Halifa charged
>> DESPERADO. The end is here. Bravo Halifa for standing up to the
>> bully.
>> Suntou
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> From: SUNTOU TOURAY [[log in to unmask]]
>> Date: 2009-03-10 16:42
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Cc:
>> Subject: Re: Halifa Sallah Arrested By Sam Sarr on 09-03-09
>>
>> Modou, an intersting statement: "Where are the elders of the country,
>> the religious leaders, the community leaders, the women leaders,
>> political leaders etc are all mute but a few. The silence is
>> killing."
>> M Mboge.
>>
>> Modou, you asked a legitimate question, but what about the hundreds
>> of
>> Gambians reading you here in the Gambia L forum? If the elders back
>> home are mute, one can argue that, may be they are afraid to offend
>> the
>> system IE Yahya. But what about the capable brothers and sisters in
>> the
>> G-L and G-Post? If they can be quiet in matters likes this, what do
>> you
>> think will happen when they go to the Gambia? they will simply be
>> quiet
>> also. reverse psychology.
>> Some may hide behind 'I don't time and what have you'. It is bogus,
>> we
>> all make time for things that matters to us. and in this freedom news
>> paper and Gambia echo era, many of us read the news. how do we do
>> that?
>> on the net. Modou you are right, the silence is killing. and for
>> sure,
>> Yahya marvel at the fact only a few write about his crimes. this is a
>> moral boost for him.
>> In U.K alone, i heard that more than 15 to 20 ex-military officers
>> claimed asylum here. among this folks are former lieutenants and
>> captains. They knew what is wrong with our army and how yaya use the
>> army to get his way around. Apart from Alhagi kanteh and Binneh
>> Minteh,
>> which one do hear say anything? Lets us pray, But God/Allah require
>> us
>> to speak against injustice and suppression. We are the elders
>> tomorrow,
>> the elders now are quiet and many among us are quiet today even those
>> whose immediate families have been harmed. Is this how the western
>> society works? be silent over bad happenings, they speak out, even
>> against children rights, women's rights, rapes, theft, murders, let
>> alone politics. many speak but have no interest in holding political
>> positions. let decency dictate.
>> suntou
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>> ----Original Message----
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: 2009-04-15 23:41
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subj: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>>
>> Jabou, not to bore anyone, i see Halifa as a politician, if you see
>> him
>> as something else, that is up to you. I cannot control your thought
>> processes neither can't you control mine.
>> So please, cut the deceit talk. this is political discussion, if
>> anyone
>> let it boil his/her blood, then you need to start seriously thinking
>> about future topics on Halifa as a politician.
>> This is no deceit folks, this is an opinion. it doesn't matter if
>> anyone insult, that is expected in political exchanges.
>> Deceit, that is a game of politicians especially those that have been
>> in it for twenty year plus. As you said, "Gambians are waking up" we
>> all hope so. You said some good things in our last exchanges, and
>> some
>> erroneous postings, i analyse them on face value. If i am the usual
>> suspect in the Halifa questioning, then you guys are the usual
>> defenders of the man. I see the usual names coming forward, what does
>> that tell us?
>> What is Halifa's future plans IE in politics? he did mentioned
>> that, if
>> he loose his Serrekunda seat, he was going to venture in Academia, i
>> feel that, he can do both. thus allowing us to analyse his political
>> career from Magi Eleg to Voice of the future and presently foroyaa,
>> PDOIS and the defunct NADD. It is good opportunity to know the work
>> of
>> politicians. Obama too is coming under scrutiny, that is the spirit.
>> Haruna has maintain his stance all along, that is defend what
>> should be
>> defended and question what need questioning. If that means, ENVY AND
>> JEALOUSY, Jealousy of what?
>> suntou
>>
>> --- On Wed, 15/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Wednesday, 15 April, 2009, 4:27 PM
>>
>>
>> Haruna,
>>
>> I know you and those of like mind are proving yourselves to be
>> masters
>> in the art to twisting good intentions into bad ones, or at least you
>> are giving it all you can, but let me re-iterate that what i found
>> amazing is your warped view regarding Halifa's intentiones and
>> nothing
>> else.You know you cannot  and will never be allowed to put words into
>> my mouth, especially disingenous ones.
>> Away with malicious deceit, especially when it is intended for those
>> who do not deserve it and you know I am all for justice and fairness.
>> I have called Suntou out before on his mission of deciet and malice
>> against Halifa that he thinks he can disguise as civil discourse
>> and he
>> flatly denied it but here we go again.
>> Jabou Joh
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 8:30 am
>> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>>
>>
>>
>> Evian,
>>
>> You're a beautiful man. Thank you also for copying what Jabou had
>> shared about my notes. I will take the opportunity to address that
>> for
>> Laye and Jabou here.
>>
>> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 7:50 PM
>> Jabou shared:
>> [Haruna wrote:"It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS
>> electoral fortunes that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous
>> rep orts and eye-witness accounts of it not-withstanding." Wow!.
>> Truly
>> amazing.]
>> Jabou Joh.
>>
>> Jabou, I'm glad you appreciate the above fact as "Truly amazing".
>> The
>> response was as onerous as the original crime. This world is full of
>> mirages. In Halifa's case there is a confluence of mirages: One of
>> conscience and the other of interest-peddling. The conscience part
>> however triumphs over the interest-peddling part.
>>
>> [In a message dated 4/15/2009 8:15:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jabou, Please excuse my grand dad for when the Tiger is in the
>> Woods,]
>>
>> Evian I want you to know Tiger had already gone home when Suntou
>> shared
>> his Oped and the vultures began to descend on him. For no friggin
>> reason. Trying to shut the man up.
>>
>> [he loses some of his reasoning faculties.] Evian.
>> Do you really think yours truly skips a beat Evian? You jettison your
>> own Grand-dad for PDOISard bantanbilly? Mbeemi, Achu! Atay watiladeh?
>> Dang-Kutoo le bentehma. bahna!
>>
>> [Moreover, grand dad just cannot bring himself to give any due credit
>> to Halifa.] Evian.
>> Do y ou ever read or understand my notes on Halifa?? They are always
>> chock-full of praise for Halifa's selfless efforts and circumspect
>> and
>> sobriety for the clueless PDOISdrones. They want to sweep us all up
>> in
>> their cluelessness. I am not a witch.
>>
>> [Why? Am yet to fully comprehend.] Evian.
>> I gathered as much. You, like most other PDOISards will never be
>> satisfied until I begin to worship Halifa for nought. It's in your
>> bloods. Its not your fault that's why I never get upset with a
>> PDOISard. E-bukay Taw. Alla La kaybaaroo Lom wolbayti.
>> Ekoloobaliyaata,
>> Ebuka-keybaa bunyaa! Ila Makkamol fanang mang Timma. Na Fitiyaye deng
>> fitiyaye so. Na Lebintiman dem. Ndasimma Nke Nta Hayinni!!!
>>
>> [Bailo]
>> How are you getting along in your new home? I hope great. Look
>> forward
>> to hearing you more often. You know your former employer is
>> international should you not decide to change careers. Personally I
>> think you are exceptionally well suited for that line of work. It
>> screams out from your notes here and we are all proud of you.
>>
>> Haruna.
>>
>> --- On Tue, 14/4/09, Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 7:50 PM
>>
>>
>> Haruna wrote:
>>
>> "It was when the onerous exercise threatened PDOIS electoral fortunes
>> that Halifa engaged in fact-finding, the numerous reports and eye-
>> witness accounts of it not-withstanding."
>>
>> Wow!. Truely amazing.
>> Jabou Joh
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 9:21 am
>> Subject: Re: The Halifa Factor, what next?
>>
>>
>>
>> Laye, Good to hear you again.
>>
>> Allow me to chime in for a minute.
>>
>> I totally understand your sentiments vis-a-vis Halifa Sallah and I
>> share some of those sentiments. I also understand Suntou's oped and I
>> share some of his views. I am of equal opportunity grace. What I
>> see is
>> that we risk taking this conversation to the sentimental and
>> ecumenical
>> realm as is usually the case when we speak about Halifa, a man who
>> aspires to lead Gambia through the political party PDOIS. I advise
>> that
>> we bear on sobriety.
>>
>> I take Suntou's oped as a fact-finding query given the fact that
>> Gambians have a cynical view of politic king. Perhaps Suntou can
>> yield
>> greater perspective on politics in this query. He is not to be
>> dismissed for sentimental reasons however. It is natural for a
>> PDOISard
>> to be up in arms when=2 0their party leader is questioned but
>> consider
>> that with the requisite temerity and discernments, the questioning,
>> even if disdainful, can strengthen the leader as well as improve our
>> lot as a people.
>>
>> I commend Halifa for embarking on a fact-finding mission into the
>> witch-
>> hunting saga as a human being. Witch-hunting is the veritable insul

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