Musa, I concur.

Chi Jaama

Joe Sambou



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>Subject: [>-<] Re: A CLEAN SLATE
>Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 14:06:32 -0400
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>Gentlemen,
>
>It is unfortunate that the very people in the Diaspora—specifically on
>these cyber forums, who have on occasion accused the opposition party
>leaders as selfish, and not responsive to the plight of the Gambians, are
>now mired in pettiness, self righteousness and defending their own egos. We
>can keep trying to find all the self-justification in the world, but at the
>end of the day, we have to practice what we preach to other people.
>
>When the idea was first unveiled in April, with a preamble and work in-
>progress guidelines, one thing was very clear, the unspoken ultimate
>objective: to equip us—Diasporeans, with the financial muscle, so that we
>can bring about an effective political change in the Gambia. Clearly, we
>recognized our different partisan leanings and some of the other complex
>issues that we would eventually have to deal with, How to bring about a
>coalition? who is going to be the leader of the coalition ? And a variety
>of other land mines that we will have to confront head on. But the reality
>at this juncture is that, the financial muscle will give us access to have
>a voice, and with this voice we can pursue the very issues that we would
>like to see. In the US—a bastion of democracy, you are only considered a
>serious presidential candidate if you can demonstrate the ability to raise
>funds. It is important to support the people that have already undertaken
>the fundraising function. We can cont!
>inue the debate without impeding the process that has already begun.
>
>Finally, let us all be part of the process with our financial
>contributions, giving out constructive feedbacks and avoid the tone and
>temperament of the recent exchanges. It will only destroy the important
>work ahead.
>
>Musa Jeng
>
> >
> > From: Omar Gaye <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 2003/08/22 Fri PM 12:18:53 EDT
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: A CLEAN SLATE
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> >
> >
> > Because you have always seen this effort bigger than you, your yielding
>really shows your character. If there was a false start or starting with
>crap as said by others, this is an opportunity to start on a CLEAN SLATE.
>In that case, here are my suggestions:
> >
> >
> >
> >    Separate the Coalition Management Committee from the Save the Gambia
>Fund, but still leaving the Committee under the umbrella of the Fund.
> >    Nominate committee members of 12 from GambiaPost and Gambia_L.
>Committee members should not be limited to contributors to the Fund only.
>(This selection process will be the messiest part since every Tm, Dick, and
>Harry will feel he/she deserves to be part of it.)
> >    Create a new temporary listserv for the Committee so that they can
>conduct the deliberations privately.
> >    Let the Committee develop the already existing skeleton Coalition
>document.
> >    Have the Committee present its tentative final document to GambiaPost
>and Gambia_L for additional suggestions and comments.
> >    Maintain the SFGA listserv for members only so that contributors can
>be updated and discuss their direction. Additionally, the Coalition
>Management Committee can then transfer to this listserv to share strategies
>and planning. At this time, the leadership of the parties will be on and
>making their input.
> >
> >
> >
> > If we take these steps, we will avoid all these talks of dictatorship
>and exclusion.
> >
> >
> >
> > By the way, my suggestions are not written in stone and is subject to be
>improved on by all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Omar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "Joe Sambou" ]
> >
> >
> > Amat, thanks for your response. Amat, I did not get the facts wrong, I
>did
> > ask you to join in the efforts of the Accountant, and that Accountant is
> > Saloum Njie, right there in Atlanta, please check the archives. But we
>do
> > not have to attempt to scoop an already spilled milk. Now, since you
>have
> > been making all these demands and your list lengthening, it's been about
>a
> > month or two since July 5, has Amat done anything about his concerns, as
>a
> > Gambian? Since Amat knows better what needs to be done and how it needs
>to
> > be done, has Amat implemented his wonderful ideas, its been 4 months,
>since
> > April. Now, please do not say I or Yus hindered you, for I do not even
>know
> > you or could stop you from anything. If you have not put your good
>wisdom
> > to practice, can you please start now. You have George, Bai, and others
>on
> > your side and I have no doubt that you guys could do everything better
>and
> > you have my support. So folks, please let us join Amat, George, Bai, and
> > others on their wisdom for a better Gambia. I think this should work
>fine
> > and Gambia will benefit from their able stewardship. So, Amat, I have
> > yielded to your demands and I am willing to join you and others in your
> > efforts. I yielded to George the custody of the funds and it seem to be
> > working and he is happy. I also believe that you are very capable of
> > volunteering your services for your people. Folks, I am not going
>anywhere.
> > I can serve in any capacity, as long as we work towards our goal. This
>is
> > bigger than anyone individual. This fighting is really draining our
> > energies and there is no sense in it. To be able to get the business of
> > Gambia going, I am putting a motion for the contributors to decide if
>the
> > continuous attacks on the group is necessary. We cannot get anything
> > accomplished when folks are determined to disrupt and drag us into a tog
>of
> > war each step of the way. This is my suggestion and I yield to hear your
> > counsel.
> >
> > Chi Jaama
> >
> > Joe Sambou
> >
> >
> > >From: [log in to unmask]
> > >Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: [>-<] Amat/Yus/Joe
> > >Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 23:37:45 +0000
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >Yus,
> > > Are you being serious here? You really think I have to explain
>anything
> > >to
> > >you or anybody for that matter? I am not responsible for your memory
>cells,
> > >I
> > >don't care what you recall. It's becoming even more obvious that you
>people
> > >just don't get it. So your gloried history of speaking out against
>Jammeh
> > >and
> > >his decrees are your only qualifications to be a leader of this Fund
> > >thingy?
> > >I guess everybody else without the war stories similar to yours should
>just
> > >shut up and do as they told by the 'veterans.'
> > >
> > >Joe, my concerns have not changed at all. Rather, my list of concerns
>is
> > >just
> > >getting longer. I am not angry but disturbed that you people interpret
>some
> > >rhetorical questions about the Fund as distractions. There has been a
>lot
> > >of
> > >back and forth on this issue and that will probably explain why you
>might
> > >have the facts a little muddled up. You have never said a thing to me
>about
> > >Saloum Njie and his efforts. By the way, I'm after a democratic and
> > >inclusive
> > >process that will give birth to a Fund and ultimately, a coalition that
> > >will
> > >rid Gambia of Yahya Jammeh. A process that will not only solicit funds
>from
> > >Gambians but also their input and participation in this noble venture.
> > >
> > >Amat
> > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Amat:
> > > > I will not ignore you. This is an open listserv so unless where
>anyone
> > >can
> > > > respond to any topic.
> > > >
> > > > One of the issues I have with this whole brouhaha from you is that I
> > >don't
> > > > recall you ever speaking out against Jammeh. Where were you when the
> > >kids got
> > > > massacred a few years ago? Where was your voice/keyboard when Jammeh
> > > > implemented the decrees that subjugated the IEC and chief justices?
> > >Where were
> > > > you on election night of a few years ago?
> > > >
> > > > This is not to imply that you are apathetic to the plight of The
>Gambia
> > >but
> > > > since you have made all this noise about Save The Gambia Fund, I
>would
> > >assume
> > > > that you would at least publicly show some interest in the political
> > >going-ons.
> > > > Are you challenging the set up of the fund because you care about
> > >political
> > > > change in The Gambia or are you doing it simply because you can?
> > > >
> > > > I eagerly await your response!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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