HI Bro Yanks, I am very pleased you took the time to share the principles  
upon which you are operating vis-a-vis Pa Nderry. I think it makes a lot of  
sense. There were a few misplaced submissions but by and large, I do not not  
intend to dissuade you from pursuits in either vengeance, retribution, or exact  
punishment not to exceed the crime should you so be able to qualify. I do take 
 brotherly exception to a couple of principles in sociology that you share 
here  with no intent for aversion to Kant or Einstein. For they are honourable  
men.
 
[Kotekeh Haruna!
Immanuel Kant wrote in philosophy of law 1887  that:
“Even if a Civil Society resolved to dissolve itself with the consent  of all 
its members – as might be supposed in the case of a people inhabiting an  
island resolving to separate and scatter themselves throughout the world – the  
last Murderer lying in the prison ought to be executed before the resolution 
was  carried out. This ought to be done in order that every one may realise the  
desert of his deeds, and that bloodguiltiness may not remain upon the people; 
 for otherwise they might all be regarded as participators in the murder as  
public violation of justice”.] Philosophy of law, page 198. Yanks.
 
This may come as a surprise to you but I acknowledge the value of  renovation 
Kant shares. He pre-supposes that the resolution to dissolve our  community 
with the consent of all our colleagues. In our case, we have not  arrived at 
such resolution yet. Kant further presumes that  post-dissolution, the community 
will inevitably reform in some manner, similar  to, or different from the 
manner of the communion to be dissolved. With that in  mind therefore, the 
execution of the last murderer in Julangel ought to be  contemplated with sobriety 
and propriety. If clearing the conscience of the  society is the impetus for 
erasure, I would share that a society with a clear  conscience is a band of 
marauding bandits. Renaissance's nourishment is the  concept of review of history. 
It is no wonder Kant is not with us today and he  does not share the story of 
his forebears.
 
["This is the school of thought I subscribe to brother, some philosophers  
prefer calling it retributivist, some describe it as the cruel school of thought 
 and I guess from your conclusion this is a mental school of thought. Yet we 
are  not as worst as the ‘lex talionis’ the believers of the theory ‘eye for 
an eye,  tooth for tooth’. 

Retributivists prefer to regard themselves as not  cruel or mental as one 
would suppose, they treat a man with dignity, regarding  him as a responsible 
agent. They give him a chance to expiate his crime by  suffering, more or less a 
debt analogy, if you owe it, you pay it.  Alternatively, far from being cruel, 
retribution is the offender’s right. How  else is the breach between him and 
society to be healed? Or, at least  retribution is not needlessly cruel, since 
society must denounce crimes in an  emphatic way, and the only available 
method is retributive sentencing.]  Yanks.

 

My brother, I do subscribe to your view immediately above. However, the  
nature and councillor of retribution or punishment ought to be carefully  studied. 
De minimis, its character and scope may not be in excess of the affect  of 
the crime. That is what I share. It is quite alright to wish to exact  
punishment and or revenge, however, a farthing more punishment than is  proprietary 
begs Hamurabi ad-infinitum. Further, the affect on the councillor,  of even 
equivalent punishment must be considered prior. That is what I speak to  for my 
brother.
 
"Retributivists are different from the believers of lex talionis because  
quite frankly they are mental, since the exact equivalent of harm cannot be  
meted out to most offenders. For example, one cannot defraud a fraudster nor can  
you rape a rapist." Yanks.
 
Indeed, one can defraud a fraudster and a rapist too.
 
"Retributivists concept of punishment if translated into the thoughts of  
Mandinka-kebba is that: one cannot speak to someone in a language they don’t  
understand; it is complete waste of energy, but if they speak Mandinka and you  
response in Mandinka then they understand." Yanks.
 
I am reminded that in the lexicography of the Mandinka language, there are  
inflexions of varying tenor and emphasis. Yanks I understand what you're 
saying.  I do not intend to take away from the excitement of punishment and 
prejudice. I  merely urge more careful consideration as to manner and councillor.
 
"From the retributivist point of view it is not madness to challenge cruel  
slanderers like Pa Ndery Mbai and the best way to do this, is to treat it like 
a  debt which he owes and needs to pay back. To succeed in achieving this, one’
s  appraisal has to give consideration to the medium used by the culprits in  
perpetrating the evil they have committed, in this case an on line newspaper. 
Is  it for vainglorious pursuits? No. Is it worth it? yes!" Yanks.
 
You share that the conduit of Pa Nderry's crime is an on-line tabloid.  And 
it is free. Should you consider appraising the value of its product and  
circulation as well as the medium? Why would you want to expend energy, time,  and 
resources to punish an invalid? Might you consider the manner of punishment  
therefore?
 
"Albert Einstein, the great physician himself, once answered the question  of 
who is a criminal, with this analogy. He it is not he who commits the crime  
in society; but he who has the power and means to stop the criminal or to do  
something about him and failed to do so or act accordingly to stop the  
criminality. If this analogy is applied to the scenario in topic here, it is not  Pa 
Nderry who is the culprit perpetrating the crimes but we the able Gambians  
who seat and fold our hands together and do nothing except to wish for Pa  
Nderry’s mercy. I refuse to be that criminal." Yanks.
 
I understand Yanks. I believe you shared that Pa Nderry has committed the  
crime or crimes. He therefore was not barred from the act of committing the  
crime or crimes. The commission of crimes is complete. Witness your desire to  
exact punishment. What Einstein shares is premised on the acknowledgement that  
the criminal comes from the society. And to the extent his crime is odious, 
the  society ought to reconsider its ware. That is the moral behind Einstein's  
submission. If its any consolation to you, I hold no brief, neither do I 
muster  empathy for Pa Nderry. I believe however that he is on a journey toward  
rehabilitation at no expense to you or society. That is the regenerative  power 
Einstein urges us consider.  

"On the other hand Brother  I perused your advice and reasoned well, but 
could not come to total agreement  with it. Though I agree with you to some extent 
but I was of the opinion that  yours sounded more like a utilitarian view on 
punishment than a retributivist.  For the former I have washed my hands with 
it since my days of studying theories  of punishment and sentencing. But saying 
that I do not harbour abhorrence for  the concept of utilitarianism, in fact 
I tend to believe that utilitarianism is  a concept developed or based on love 
and kindness for ones kin's. This is very  good and I do think, brother 
Haruna, your advice here was manifesting your love  for a brother." Yanks.
 
I have always known you wise and discerning. I am pleased you recognize  
value in my pleadings. 

"I hope you would not wonder what in the  heck is all this philosophy about, 
well the premises of my intention in creating  an online paper to challenge Pa 
Nderry and Freedom Newspaper, is based on my  retributivist believe that the 
punishment best fitting the crime of Pa Ndery is  what has been clichéd as 
making one taste the fruit of his own medicine or  deeds, which ever way it is 
phrased. Bro mine is not vainglorious pursuits but  based on a true 
philosophical principle." Yanks.
 
I understood Bro. I take a liking to philosophy oftentimes. I was pleased  to 
read Kant and Einstein again. The energy, time, and resources you intend to  
invest in the mirror, would you consider investing it in the victims of Pa  
Nderry, whosoever were to have been so aversed? 

"I hope I have done  you no offence." Yanks.
 
Far from it brother and colleague. I enjoy you thoroughly. I hope we have  
yielded each other a good turn.
 
Sincerely, Haroun Masoud. MQDT. AL Mu'Umin.

Brethren  Yanks




> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:31:36 -0500
> From:  [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Pa Ndery's Cruelty!
> To:  [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Yanks,
>
> I  understand your frustrations. However, I advise you abandon such
>  vainglorious pursuits. Why would you want to expend time and energy or a  
single
> farthing in an endeavour to counter Pa Nderry's Free-online  newspaper? You 
probably
> need your head examined more than Pa Nderry  does.
>
> Haroun Rashid. MQDT Darbo. Train on more valuable  endeavour. Besides your
> studies will require any excess time, energy,  and resource you may come 
upon.Al
> Mutawakkil.
>
> In a  message dated 11/8/2007 6:49:31 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
>  [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> "A CYNICAL, MERCENARY, DEMAGOGIC  CORRUPT PRESS WILL PRODUCE IN TIME PEOPLE
> AS BASE AS ITSELF"
>  Joseph Pulitzer 1847 - 1911: inscribed on the gateway to the Columbia  
school
> of journalism
>
> Once i wrote an article about the  self alluded excessive power that Pa
> Nderry Mbai seems to think he  has
> by owning what he supposedly thinks is the world's most widely  read
> newspaper, Free-doomed Newspaper. Little did he knows that in  somewhere 
Britania
> people don't even know its existence.
>
>  This journalistic monster is on a course of wanton destruction that will
>  leave decent Gambian tainted by his cruelty. Pa Nderry and his
>  "Foka-Jai-Newspaper" are bent on criminality of slander and defamation
>  against innocent victims.
>
> In his naivity he tried to disguise  himself as the gladiator of the Gambian
> struggle against dictator  Jammeh!
> For the sake defeating the greater evil, we let his evil lethal  paper grow
> in strength with the hope that it can help us defeat our  worst nemesis, 
Yahya
> Jammeh. But what have we done, the freedom  newspaper that was suppose to
> fight for our freedom is now our freedom  destroyer. This Kafirr Pa Nderry 
needed
> to be stopped! In simple we need  another online newspaper that's sole
> purpose will be to bring freedom  down! Pa Nderry just like Jammeh is on a 
collision
> path with us, we are  decent people abused by Jammeh, so we should not let
> that son of a  Niamina Sambang "Batotala" abuse the characters of the 
remaining
> decent  people in our communities.
>
> Heraclitus 540-480 BC stated on the  Universe that "A man's character is his
> fate". When will this  cruel
> monster Nderry Mbai understand that tarnishing people's characters  is not
> just illegal is evil.
> The latest callousness of Pa  Nderry's abuses against Sheriff Bojang is 
wrong
> and uncalled for. I have  read Sheriff interview on All Gambia i do not 
think
> it warrant a  response of that magnitude. But Pa Nderry is an
> unchallengeable, all  knowing beast, who has dossiers on every Gambian's 
dodgy businesses.
> You  state one thing about him, he comes with millions even if they are all 
 lies!
>
> The western world is among the world's ardent supporters  of press freedom;
> but even they know the dangers of an unguarded press.  The English common 
law
> had to bring in safe guards of libel and  defamation to protect innocent 
people
> from the wrath of unscrupulous and  care free join the listers like Pa 
Nderry
> Mbai.
>
> Pa  Nderry's cruelty; My campaign continues. I need an on line newspaper
>  called "Anti Pa Nderry Freedom" i'm working on it hopefully it will come  
out
> soon!
>
> Brethren Yanks
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