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Lamin,

Thank you for this!

I can't recall how long ago it was that my eyes have become misty, weather 
from reading, listening to a moving speech, sermon or any of those 
encounters that reaches out and touches your very soul, never failing to 
leave in its wake questions of a philosophical nature.

This is no attempt to flatter you but I too, have followed your postings 
keenly always enjoyed by your sharp intellect. Your ability to lay bare 
questions that might otherwise appear confusing and daunting to grapple 
with, to the extend that even the numbest of minds can digest them, is not 
only a science, it is also an art. You are a man who chews well before he 
swallows; you shall never choke! I can bet you did not hurry through law 
school rushing to be certificated, or restricted yourself to the the 
syllabus of the day, for even if you make a seriously attempt, you cannot 
conceal that fact that you did not.

Yes, not only have they wage a systematic and persistent campaign during the 
past fifty years to eliminate all of Africa's true leaders, they have made 
attempts and indeed succeeded in shoring up the bad ones, the puppets who 
have volunteered to hold down their own people so that they are 'peacefully' 
raped!

Your mention of Bishop Musorewa brought back very unpleasant memories, for 
was this not the holy man that was patted on the back by the West as a true 
African leader, armed him to the teeth, jet fighters and all, so that he 
could massacre his own people in the name of the Lord? Not only a true 
African leader they claimed but also the Lords representative on earth.

So when they tell me Mugabe has been in power for too long and must go, I 
ask, but what about Omar Bongo who has been in power since 1967? Who hears 
any western leader calling for his exit? The answer of course is very 
simple, because he too continues to hold down his country so that she can be 
raped. Mugabe's most serious crime was to put his people first.

All the evil perpetrated towards the people of Congo since the murder of 
their promising young leader and the enthronement of an odious one who 
assisted them in their designs is solely for the wealth that lies below the 
Congolese soil.

I believe part of the reason for the apparent failure of a segment of West 
Africans to appreciate the historical realities of Eastern and Southern 
African countries is that we did not have White settler populations in our 
countries. Knowing the level of cruelty with which Africans were treated in 
their own country and the suffering they went through because of these 
settler communities it is indeed praiseworthy that they did not drive these 
parasites into the sea at independence.

Not only did Mandela forgive those who held him in captive for twenty-seven 
years, isolating him from a intelligent, dedicated and beautiful wife and 
two innocent young daughters, he invited them into government to help take 
the country forward together. The same story applies to Comrade Mugabe. In 
fact the Lancaster House Agreement contained a clause that allowed the 
minority White settler community hold a disproportionate number of seats in 
Parliament for many years.

Nearly thirty years later Black teenagers in these countries that try to 
preach to us about Human Rights and the rule of law, cannot sit out in the 
open under a tree at school without being threatened with lynching! Yet some 
supposedly highly educated Africans will try to convince you that there is 
no co-relation. Any wonder that in Muta Barukka's White Man Country a Black 
man joins the Ku Klux Klan?

It's all over, in America, England, Norway, Germany, Russia, everywhere! 
Whiles we always treat them well at home, in fact too well. If a White man 
is mugged anywhere in Africa, the mostly likely reason would be to be robbed 
by some poor hungry man, almost never a hate crime.

I am glad that you enjoy the forwards and I shall continue to share, both 
here and elsewhere, so that our story continues to be told and the lies and 
hypocrisy of the enemies of the African people continue to be exposed.

All the people of Zimbabwe did was to reclaim what is rightfully theirs, the 
land,  the transfer of which was agreed during talks to end their armed 
struggle for freedom and dignity and they respected the agreement in both 
letter and spirit whiles those rallying today trying to strangulate them, 
broke it.

Incidentally, only last night I retired to bed with Ngugi's 'Weep Not child' 
a book whose theme is the White settlers' confiscation of Kenyan land.

Ngotho works as a labourer on the land which his father once owned but which 
the British gave to a White settler. He fought for the British army during 
WWI. He has two wives and and five children. He too lives under the hope 
under which his father lived and died, that one day the land will be 
returned to them. One of his sons loses all respect for him because he 
labours in his own farm for another man.... Who am I kidding, I'm sure 
you've read this...

Regards,

kabir.






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From: "Lamin Darbo" <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:17 PM
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Zimbabwe: Outrage Intensifies Over Brown's Threat

> Kabir:
>
>  Yours is a critically educative and interesting perspective.
>
>  I continue to celebrate Mugabe's role in the fight against, and defeat 
> of, white minority rule in Zimbabwe. He is the last of the great southern 
> African liberators, that generation of fighters who made it to the very 
> top in their various countries. Some of the others included Mandela of 
> South Africa, Machel of Mozambique, Nujuma of South West Africa (Namibia), 
> terrorists one and all, according to Thatcher and a succession of American 
> presidents.
>
>  In a book on Africa's fifty years of independence, I read about Mugabe 
> going to his mother and saying his goodbyes, telling her that he resolved 
> to join the fighters in Mozambique, and that although he was not sure 
> about surviving, he refused to live under white minority rule in Rhodesia. 
> Unless we vainly search for purity in our political leaders, the man 
> deserves celebration for helping end the tyranny of the minority in his 
> homeland! The alternative was Bishop Musorewa and his ilk!
>
>  Although currently of the view that he overstayed his useful years, I do 
> not understand this to constitute any disagreement with your perspective. 
> Even here, the dilemma must be whether any successor of Mugabe could 
> muster the requisite clout in credibly resolving the land dispute that is 
> interwoven with municipal white  brutality of epic proportions.
>
>  For the educated Zimbabwe watcher, the critical question is whether any 
> credibility should be accorded the leaders of key anti-Mugabe countries 
> like the USA, the UK, and Australia. In light of their own defacto 
> domestic policies on race relations and equal opportunity, the answer has 
> got to be negative. As their most testing assignment must be their 
> individual and collective abilities to navigate the global scene, Africa's 
> future leaders must open their eyes to the realities of international 
> politics and its intersection with domestic race relations in so-called 
> "key democracies".
>
>  On Zimbabwe, I do not think Africans should take lectures from the 
> Anglo-Saxon tripartite of the USA, the UK, and Australia. This is not to 
> say I do not wonder at the fantastic magic of the "rule of law" in these 
> countries regarding matters touching on the white majority. We are simply 
> incidental beneficiaries of the protection of the law, and even here the 
> system routinely malfunctions with tragic consequences as in the case of 
> the "Jena Six". And in the area of mainstream economic opportunity, the 
> non-Caucasian is generally excluded.
>
>  In a 2006 speech I gave on comparative "Rule of Law" to a Gambian group 
> in the UK, please refer to the excerpt below:
>
>  "For a dramatic demonstration of the rule of law in recent times, I 
> suggest we foray into a systemic challenge to, and vindication of, the 
> concept in the United States, that trail blazer jurisdiction of the 
> all-encompassing principle of the sanctity of the human person. For the 
> discernible student of modern international affairs - and we have many in 
> this immediate audience and beyond - the United States stands for carnage 
> and abuse. I accept the partial validity of any such observation, and for 
> good measure, I readily concede that like our host nation, the United 
> States stands legitimately accused of pervasive institutional racism 
> against its non-Caucasian peoples. I am willing, at some future date, to 
> discuss the institutional racism clearly prevalent in the United States, 
> and the United Kingdom, in particular, and western liberal democracies, in 
> general, but for present purposes, I am happy to confine my excitement to 
> dilating on the critical significance of  the rule
> of law  in public life."
>
>  I urge you to relentlessly continue your crusade for Pan African 
> consciousness in that  political Gambia must be educated about its 
> salvation not residing in the British gathering of the Commonwealth of 
> Nations, or the global gathering at the imperialist instrumentality of the 
> United Nations, not to mention the Arab gathering at the Islamic 
> Conference.
>
>  I agree that we must unshackle our minds, and thank you for your 
> perspective!
>
>
>
>
>
>  LJDarbo
>
>
>
>
> Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>  Mr Sanneh,
>
> Who invited you to a debate? You jumped from nowhere with your incoherent
> ramblings regurgitating as usual terms that you don't understand... Who
> cares how long you have been here or elsewhere for that matter or what you
> have done since 1980?
>
> It was tribal opportunism and reaction that bungled Gambians' chance to
> usher in a new era. So you can shout your mumbo jumbo from the top of your
> voice whenever you happen to stumble upon a computer or engage in other
> forms of escapades. It will all amount to naught!
>
> Kabir.
>
>
> On 9/25/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>>
>> Kabir
>> You have a right to your own conscience. if you think I am regurgitating
>> BBC or ITN news stuff about the state of matters in Zimbabawe take it. 
>> You
>> are wrong and I don't subscribe the political economic of the media for
>> manafacturing my conscience about issues. For your clarafication I do not
>> also think that the internet is what will remove Yaya Jammeh. Getting on 
>> to
>> 10 years a go since I subscribe to this forum, its essence is to discuss
>> Gambia and related matters. I think the situation in Zimbabawe is almosr
>> related to Gambia and we have put two situation into perspective.Kabir I
>> am active on Gambian issues before Yaya Jammeh in the late 1980 as a 
>> student
>> in the Gambia and will alway remain so. The essence of the forum is to 
>> agree
>> and disagree on matters, just like you similar the outrage in Zimbabawe 
>> so
>> is Gambia
>>
>> Kabir Njaay wrote:
>> Mr. Sanneh,
>>
>> To me you seem to be confused about issues you are trying to deal with 
>> and
>> are doing nothing other than regurgitating BBC and ITN 'news' stuff. What
>> rambling on about has little connection with the contents of piece you 
>> are
>> responding to.
>>
>> Besides, if you think incoherent rambling on the Internet is what will
>> remove Jammeh he will be there for a long time to come.
>>
>> Kabir.
>>
>> On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>> >
>> > > Kabirr,
>> > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
>> they
>> > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it? Is it 
>> > > progressive
>> > farmer who
>> > > is MDC supporter or useless farmer who ZANUPF?To Focus your utopian
>> Pan
>> > African
>> > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerouswhen your country is
>> > facing a similar situation like Zimbabwe. It is economic policy is
>> > neaoliberal which I hope youdo not
>> > > subscribe to.Thanks alway do not proof read and will do on this 
>> > > matter
>> > for the interest of the debate. Have a good day!
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Kabir Njaay wrote: Mr Sanneh,
>> >
>> > Please proof read before you send. I don't have a clue what you are
>> > talking
>> > about.
>> >
>> > Kabir.
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Kabirr,
>> > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
>> they
>> > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it to progressive
>> farm
>> > who
>> > > is MDC supporter useless farmer ZANUPF. Focing your utopian Pan
>> African
>> > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerous. Why are you not
>> > dialecting
>> > > on your backyield.Gambia which you are born is having a similar
>> > situation
>> > > like Zimbbwe. It is economic policy is neaoliberal which I hope youdo
>> > not
>> > > subscribe to.
>> > >
>> > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
>> > > Mr Sanneh,
>> > >
>> > > I guess you are free to go and remove Mugabe at your convenience 
>> > > since
>> > you
>> > > are so passionate about it!
>> > >
>> > > I don't know where you got your Black against White from but what
>> > > progressive Africans have been saying all along it that the conflict
>> is
>> > > about the Land Reform. It is Britain and Tony Blair and now Gordon
>> Brown
>> > > that made it a Black against White issue when they mobilised their
>> White
>> > > Breathen all over the world to strangulate Zimbabwe.
>> > >
>> > > Kabir.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Kabir
>> > > > Thanks for the forward. The situation in Zimbabwe is also view by
>> > > > so-called African liberationist as Black against white or western
>> > > > imperlialism. Damn it, I do not subscribe that sensational views 
>> > > > any
>> > > more.
>> > > > Mugage should go period and so is Africa do away with all forms of
>> > > > dictatorship. It is a fact that western interest in Zimbabwe is
>> narrow
>> > > their
>> > > > commitment other countries facing a similar problem like Zimbabwe.
>> > What
>> > > is
>> > > > that problem corrupt, human rights violation, state 
>> > > > criminalisation,
>> > > lack of
>> > > > rule of law and democracy, deapair and hopelessness. The problem in
>> > > Zimbabwe
>> > > > is far from racism. With human suffering in the name of liberation
>> in
>> > > that
>> > > > country is the classical case of intellectual dishonest one cannot
>> > > imagine.
>> > > >
>> > > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
>> > > > Zimbabwe: Outrage Intensifies Over Brown's Threat
>> > > >
>> > > > Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2007
>> > > >
>> > > > By Bulawayo Bureau
>> > > >
>> > > > September 22, 2007
>> > > >
>> > > > The Herald
>> > > >
>> > > > 'Arm-twisting not way to solve Zim's challenges' CONDEMNATION of
>> > British
>> > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown over his threat to boycott the
>> Euro-Africa
>> > > > Summit if President Mugabe attends intensified yesterday.
>> > > >
>> > > > Amid growing international consensus that the conference must go
>> ahead
>> > > > even without Britain, the Pan-African Parliament said Mr Brown
>> should
>> > > desist
>> > > > from behaving like an overlord.
>> > > >
>> > > > In remarks that received worldwide coverage yesterday, Dr Gertrude
>> > > > Mongella, the Tanzanian president of the Pan-African Parliament,
>> said
>> > > > "arm-twisting" was not the way to solve Zimbabwe's challenges.
>> > > >
>> > > > Her comments reflect the determination of the African Union to go
>> > ahead
>> > > as
>> > > > planned and invite President Mugabe to the Euro-Africa summit in
>> > Lisbon,
>> > > > Portugal, in December.
>> > > >
>> > > > Dr Mongella, attending a conference with Socialist Members of the
>> > > European
>> > > > Parliament in Brussels, has made it clear that African solidarity
>> > might
>> > > > undermine Mr Brown's "him-or-me" challenge to the summit.
>> > > >
>> > > > "We do know there are some problems (in Zimbabwe), but if somebody
>> > wants
>> > > > to arm-twist Zimbabwe, that's not the best way to solve the
>> problems,"
>> > > she
>> > > > said.
>> > > >
>> > > > "I think this is again another way of manipulating Africa. Zimbabwe
>> is
>> > a
>> > > > nation which got independence. I think in the developed countries
>> > there
>> > > are
>> > > > so many countries doing things which not all of us subscribe to - 
>> > > > we
>> > > have
>> > > > seen the Iraq war, not everyone accepts what is being done in 
>> > > > Iraq."
>> > > >
>> > > > Dr Mongella urged all African and European leaders to go to the
>> summit
>> > -
>> > > > including Mr Brown - to join the talks to "meet, develop a very
>> > > committed
>> > > > dialogue to solve problems, rather than threatening each other by
>> > going
>> > > or
>> > > > not going".
>> > > >
>> > > > She said dialogue must be pursued to resolve any disputes.
>> > > >
>> > > > "I think if we want to move in the right direction, with the 
>> > > > African
>> > way
>> > > > of doing things, you discuss things under a tree till you agree. So
>> if
>> > > > somebody does not come under a tree to discuss, that is not the
>> > African
>> > > way
>> > > > of doing things."
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr Brown was also condemned by Zimbabwe's Ambassador to the United
>> > > > Nations, Mr Boniface Chidyausiku, who said the prime minister had 
>> > > > no
>> > > right
>> > > > to dictate who should be at the summit or not.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr Chidyausiku said President Mugabe had a sovereign right, like 
>> > > > all
>> > > other
>> > > > African heads of state, to attend the Lisbon summit, adding that
>> > bigger
>> > > > issues affecting Africa should be prioritised.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr Chidyausiku's remarks follow almost similar sentiments by
>> > Portuguese
>> > > EU
>> > > > legislator Mr Paolo Casaca and the Southern African Development
>> > > Community
>> > > > chairman, President Levy Mwanawasa of Zambia, on Thursday.
>> > > >
>> > > > President Mwanawasa even countered Mr Brown with his own threat,
>> > saying
>> > > if
>> > > > President Mugabe is barred from attending the summit, Zambia and
>> > > probably
>> > > > other African leaders would not go to Lisbon.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr Louis Michel, the EU Commissioner for Aid and Development,
>> > signalled
>> > > Mr
>> > > > Brown's growing isolation, saying that one person cannot scuttle a
>> key
>> > > > summit between two continents.
>> > > >
>> > > > "We think that a single individual case cannot take as hostage the
>> > > > relations between two continents," said Mr Michel.
>> > > >
>> > > > He added that the European Commission would want the summit to go
>> > ahead
>> > > > regardless of Mr Brown's threat.
>> > > >
>> > > > Writing in a British newspaper, The Independent, on Thursday, Mr
>> Brown
>> > > > provoked sharp international criticism when he said he would 
>> > > > boycott
>> > the
>> > > > Portugal summit - the first since 2000 - if President Mugabe
>> attends.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr Brown, like his predecessor Mr Tony Blair, claimed that the
>> > > Government
>> > > > had presided over the prevailing economic challenges, ignoring the
>> > > impact of
>> > > > illegal EU and American sanctions.
>> > > >
>> > > > He said the EU's five-year visa ban on President Mugabe must be
>> > enforced
>> > > > to ensure that he does not travel to Portugal.
>> > > >
>> > > > But Mr Michel said the ban does not apply to international 
>> > > > meetings.
>> > > >
>> > > > "I expect it is possible to have a compromise, but if there is no
>> > > > compromise, what can you do? The only option I cannot accept is
>> > > suppressing
>> > > > the summit," he said.
>> > > >
>> > > > Mr Brown, who assumed office in June, is said to base his foreign
>> > policy
>> > > > on a series of anti-Zimbabwe reports aired by several British media
>> > > outlets,
>> > > > including the BBC and ITV News
>> > > >
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