Fye, you are a decent person. You have always shown respect to all
here and you don't normally use words of that nature; 'stupid and
idiot', but if you really have to use them, I think people will
understand that you have been highly provoked and that it was not you
who started it. My only advice is; makesure you always apologies to
the readership afterwards. That make you a much better person.
Thanks
Daffeh
On 06/07/2013, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Fye,
> OK, for the sake of arguments, how exactly does one realize his stupidity
> towards others? You are constantly hyping about my stupidity and idiocy, how
> exactly was I stupid and an idiot. Anyway, others and I will continue
> ignoring you here because of this outburst. Find below what I wrote and
> there is not a single thread of rudeness of insult in it. So it looks like
> you are unnecessarily incensed or waiting for my to reply to any of your
> numerous albeit ignored postings to bounced on me. I know where you live and
> will take this up with you to tell exactly how I was stupid and idiotic
> towards you as soon as I am near your area.
> Kejau
> My writing is as below:
> Fye,
> How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is
> enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If the
> Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins
> elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist.
> The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more
> democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace with
> the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet you
> want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out. As Dr. Malang
> said, the people get the government they deserve! The Armed Forces in Egypt
> chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations instead of the legitimate
> winners of the elections. History will judge them and as Pastor often
> quipped, the consequences of their actions will be devastating for years to
> come. The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will
> they disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push
> them out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the
> near future. As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of
> our existence and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US
> government is being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to
> consider their aid package to a military that fails its historic
> responsibility and the actions the Obama government and the west takes will
> have consequences for all us for years to come.
> Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2013 13:21:19 +0200
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Kejau..
> Face the facts and realize your stupidity towards me ...So please do learn
> your lessons and avoid me in future....Go find your types not me...
>
>
> Niamorkono...
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> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 12:01 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
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> Fye.
> Please be civil and stop the indolence. At least Suntou and Khalleel agreed
> with me and if I show your ignorance that's your business! Only idiots call
> people idiots or stupid for pointing out their ignorance and bias! You can't
> even spell well or put a coherent argument forward yet you chose to be rude.
> It shows the kind of home training you got!
> I am finish with this thread and you so from now you and your writings go to
> the bin!
>
> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
> On 5 Jul 2013, at 14:46, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Kejau..Am not sure what u mean about civilize...Please be specific....This
> is an open forum for debates that makes sense and i have been doing that for
> years now..Of course you can disagree with me but not the rage and stupidity
> you performed on matters you know less..So again you must be an idiot to
> dismiss my opinion on events in Egypt...Who the HELL are you really ? Please
> go ahead and enjoy your life...
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> Niamorkono...
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> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Fye,
> Do not worry, I only communicate with civilize people who write about issues
> and not trading insults, so you wont see me reply to you ever again. If your
> opinion sucks and people point that out to you, the civilize thing to do is
> explain why you blatantly miss the obvious and not start invective like you
> did. It only shows who you really are!
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> Kejau
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> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 13:48:07 +0200
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Kejau
> You better civilize yourself first before you can communicate with me in
> future...I have no reasons to insult you but to make you see sense how to
> interact with others....My opinion is mind only and i need no lectures from
> you or anybody...
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> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 1:49 AM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
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> FyeI apologise for taking you as civilise and capable of communication
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> Kejau.
> Sent from Kejau's iPhone
> On 4 Jul 2013, at 21:57, Fye Samateh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Kejau..
> I know better Egypt and Turkey have secularism in their constitutions than
> you and this is what their people wants not an Islamic dictatorship
> period..So if you don't understand that in my message then you are really
> very STUPID...Why are people demonstrating in these countries since the Arab
> up-spring started ? These People want a better life and to maintain Islam as
> their religion with respect to other religious communities among them...How
> many Christians died in Egypt since Morsi came to power ? Remember
> Christianity came to Egypt before Islam..
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> Yes the Muslim brotherhood in both Egypt and Tunisia are strictly Islamic
> parties and yes their people elected them but since they failed to deliver
> people took to the streets again...Once again if you don't realize that then
> you are an IDIOT...Get to the point and control your rage..The Christian
> west has nothing to do what is happening in these countries and i will be
> the first person to condemn them if that happens...So again you are making
> nonsense ...
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> Turkish Government has been doing great economically for years now but they
> have a long way to improve the democratic principles for all their
> citizens..Are you aware how many Turkish journalists and opposition members
> are lingering in jails since this party came to power? Perhaps one of the
> main reasons their refuse to join the EU... I think your international
> awareness is very limited so you better know who you are talking to...
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> Morsi himself admitted last night his mistakes and i am with the Egyptian
> people to see him go....You better do the same or stuff your message...
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> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:36 AM, Kejau Touray <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Fye,
> How exactly is Egypt and Turkey not a secular system? Secularism is
> enshrined in their constitutions, yet you chose to call them Islamic! If the
> Kristelig Folkeparti, the Norwegin Christian Democratic Party wins
> elections, you may not say this. What exactly makes these parties Islamist.
> The Refah Party, The Welfare Partisi of Turkey, has brought in more
> democracy, the rule of law and unprecedented development and more peace with
> the separatist PPK than ever before seen in the history of Turkey, yet you
> want them out, just because the Christian West, want them out.
>
>
>
> As Dr. Malang said, the people get the government they deserve! The Armed
> Forces in Egypt chose to defend the illegitimate demonstrations instead of
> the legitimate winners of the elections. History will judge them and as
> Pastor often quipped, the consequences of their actions will be devastating
> for years to come.
>
>
>
> The question lingering now is, they promised fresh elections, will they
> disband the Muslim Brotherhood and if not will they continue to push them
> out, whenever they win elections, which they will poise to do in the near
> future.
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>
> As Uncle Koro Sallah said, security is a very important arm of our existence
> and we cannot afford to relegate them to the bottom. The US government is
> being asked by its democratic and peace loving people to consider their aid
> package to a military that fails its historic responsibility and the actions
> the Obama government and the west takes will have consequences for all us
> for years to come.
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> Thanks,
> Kejau
> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 10:07:06 +0200
> From: [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: Re: [G_L] Egypt tense as army deadline looms
> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Folks..Egyptian people wants a secular system with democratic values and
> transparency not an Islamic dictatorship...So i support the army on this one
> for getting rid of Morsi and hopefully the Islamist will not succeed in both
> Turkey and Tunisia as well...I wish the interim team all the best of luck..
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> For JusticeNiamorkono
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> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 7:12 AM, dbaldeh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Cousin Haruna, history doesn't bear witness to military relinquishing power
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> witness this one too inha- Allah... happy 4th
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> From my Android phone on T-Mobile. The first nationwide 4G network.
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> Date: 07/03/2013 7:27 PM (GMT-08:00)
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> On Jul 3, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Haruna <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Great observation brother Khaleel, in the long run these military turns out
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> rawlings in Ghana... he tested it first, stepped down and came back later...
> same thing with Tumani Toure of Mali... It is simply dangerous to give the
> military with guns so much power... They won't have any respect for the
> civilian government and the civilian become a puppet of the military
> institution... Unprecedented indeed! It would be interesting to observe and
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> great thing I can compliment them on is that they didn't put a military
> personnel as the head of the interim government but their statement is loud
> and clear to anyone with the hopes and dreams of ruling Egypt. "We can and
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> they can vote him out the next time around.. Where does it end is my
> question? If you elect another leader and quarter of the country is not
> happy, do you topple them as well? Where does it end? Citizens can engage in
> activism but violence is intolerable and could be detrimental and turn the
> country into bloodshed... So they accepted a military council after Mubarak,
> they will topple morsi and accept another military dictatorship... Am just
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> dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on them". The
> majority of these protesters are young educated Muslims who want to practice
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> rule??? something is wrong with that picture! But then what to expect...
> most of those protesters don't know any better... they were born and brought
> up under dictatorship so all they know is force and others imposing on
> them....Sidi Jatta was right when he said "the so called Arab spring is yet
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