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Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
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No Jabou, I dugged nothing.  Read below.  After all Binneh is Essa Sey.  The
moment he was threatened to be exposed he requested to be unsubscribed.  Now
if Binneh is Former Ambassador Essa Sey, are you going to now lie that you
do not know Binneh?  You guys High Fived here a zillion times before.
Please read below.  Jabou, You shall be exposed for what you are.  It's
coming.


>From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: [log in to unmask]
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: [Fwd: Re: [>-<] WHY TALKING ABOUT YAHYA'S NEPOTISM AND TRIBALISM
>SAVES/YUS]
>Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2004 19:30:19 -0400 (EDT)
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: Re: [>-<] WHY TALKING ABOUT YAHYA'S NEPOTISM AND TRIBALISM
>SAVES/YUS
>From: <[log in to unmask]>
>Date: Wed, April 7, 2004 4:15 pm
>To: [log in to unmask]
>
>[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by
><[log in to unmask]> ]
>
>
>Ebrima:
>I figure when Essa Bokarr Sey pulled out the tribal card then all bets
>were off, and it became OK to expose him.  I'll be damned if he tears us
>apart with his terrible ethnic agenda.
>
>This poster is not Binneh Minteh but rather none other than ex-Ambassador
>Essa Bokarr Sey.
>
>Here is to one Gambia!
>
>Thanks!
>Yusupha
>
>
>--- EBRIMA TAMBA <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by EBRIMA TAMBA
><[log in to unmask]> ]
>
>
>Yus,
>    The dude decided to unsubscribe: What a shocker,
>did you just scare him away...Well Dawg!! gotta tell
>you. You need to put the icing on the cake by telling
>us who this dude really is. I know there was something
>spooky about this guy. So his real name is not Binneh?
>Who the heck is this guy then. Don't tell me I've been
>blind sided all these months by some psychotic ilk.
>Boy i love this forum.....George you're a frikkin
>genius for creating such a noble medium of dialogue.
>I'll holler back.....peace.
>
>--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > Binneh:
> > With all due respect, stop the misinformation.  How
> > many times do we have to tell you that you are
> > comparing apples and oranges here?  The pre-genocide
> > signs in Rwanda were far different from what is
> > going on in The Gambia right now.  In fact, there
> > are few parallels.
> >
> > What is it going to take to hammer into your skull
> > the fact that you are completely wrong on this one?
> > There are some ver well educated folks on this list
> > and continuing along this misguided slant will
> > simply serve to hasten your quick slide down into
> > the cesspool of those who cannot be trusted, not
> > that you have not done this yet by your association
> > with shady characters.  Oh, I forgot, you were
> > associated with these shady characters b4 you
> > changed your monicker.
> >
> > I gave you the benefit of the doubt for a while but
> > I will be paying very close attention to you.  Think
> > carefully b4 you post anything!  If you continue
> > down this slippery slope, I will expose you for who
> > you are -- i mean your real name!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Yuspha
> >
> > --- Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
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> > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> > From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:54:24 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [>-<] WHY TALKING ABOUT YAHYA'S
> > NEPOTISM AND TRIBALISM
> >  SAVES THE GAMBIA.
> >
>
>---------------------------------
>
>Ousman,
>
>                       Thanks for your analysis on the
>whole tribal issue but like i said to you yesterday,
>this is an open forum and it is a forum for Gambians
>to speak there mind. The main reason why i came up
>with the tribalism  issue is because it is something
>that is currently affecting Gambians on the ground and
>it is therefore a sensitive issue to be ignored.
>
>                        It is the responsibility of
>each and every Gambian to address problems that are
>directly having an  impact on our society, and to find
>out ways and means of dealing with the situation. As a
>Gambian citizen, it is therefore incumbent upon me to
>bring forward such situations so as to avoid history
>repeating itself.
>
>                        Gambia is a small country and
>we are all more or less inter-related.We must not
>encourage any person or persons, government or
>governments  that will divide us and inculcate
>tribalistic sentiments amongst us. It is true that you
>know my family  and that we are all from Fatoto, but
>it should  still be our responsibility to agree to
>disagree when it comes to national matters..
>
>                        The situation in the Gambia as
>have always said is worth addressing, not only in this
>forum but under the banner of the United Nations and
>many other international organizations to avoid an
>ethnic or civil war.Considering the composition of
>many organs of the Jammeh Government including the
>security  and armed forces, almost all strategic
>positions are manned by Jammehs tribes men.In the
>armed forces for example, most of the commissioned and
>non- commissioned officers are Jammehs tribesmen (his
>kinsmens in particular). This is a growing concern for
>many in the security forces, causing many to either
>resign or be in a total state of dissatisfaction and
>discontentment. Such was the situation in liberia
>during the Samuel Doe era. I still have many sources
>within  the Gambian Armed forces ousman.
>
>                       When it come to the question of
>Gambia turning in to another Rwanda, it does not
>neccessarily mean it is going to happen overnight, and
>we as Gambians are not praying for that  either,but it
>is just cautioning the authorities  and the
>International community . The signs in Rwanda before
>the Genocide and the signs in the Gambia now are the
>same.In the Gambia we see Jolas using matchets,knives
>and other things to show other tribes that they are
>spiritually powerful and that is appealing which is
>fuelling hidden reactions within other circles back
>home.Those who were killing in Rwanda also used
>matchets,axes and believed that they had spiritual
>power. Research centers like the CODESRIA in Dakar and
>other bodies that specialise in such research programs
>have already filed their findings and their hypothesis
>point fingers towards The Gambia as a breeding ground
>of ethnic conflicts. These are some of the reasons why
>the situation is worth addressing.
>
>                        By using the word "JOLA" does
>not neccessarily mean one is singling them out or have
>anything against them. I dont have  anything agaisnt
>any ethnicity. As i have always said, people of this
>universe should learn to live and love one another
>regardless of race, religion, ethnicity, culture and
>social background. OPTV  is  there fore warning that
>the tribal tendencies in major governmental
>institutions  be addressed  and something be done
>about it before it is too late.
>
>                        Once again brother ousman i
>thank you for your insights and thoughts and hopefully
>we will find a solution to the current situation in
>The Gambia.I  would like to conclude by thanking you
>for appreciation of my good use of the post, but this
>very situation thus exist in The Gambia.
>
>
>
>Binneh s Minteh
>
>
>
>
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 message/rfc822
> > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 20:31:13 -0700
> > From: Ousman Gajigo <[log in to unmask]>
> > Subject: Re: [>-<] WHY TALKING ABOUT YAHYA'S
> > NEPOTISM AND TRIBALISM SAVES THE
> >  GAMBIA.
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
>
>---------------------------------
>[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by
>"Ousman Gajigo"  ]
>Let in jump in on this tribalism discussion, which has
>now degenerated into something that the original
>contributors hasn't anticipated.
>
>I have started being uncomfortable ever since Binneh
>started reporting on the tribalism of Yahya Jammeh.
>Putting aside the question of Jammeh's tribalist
>tendencies, I'm totally unconvinced that conflating
>the issue of tribalism (a very important phenomenon
>worth discussing) and the urgent problem of replacing
>the current regime is the right way to go. These two
>issues are very important but different in their own
>ways. Tribalism has been with us since time immemorial
>and will be here (in various forms) when Jammeh's
>government is gone. Economic prosperity may lessen it
>but it will not eradicate because in-group affinity
>(sometimes at the expense of others in other groups -
>nepotism) is a very human attribute.
>
>As others have pointed out here before, most of
>Jammeh's supporters, henchmen, apologists, etc. are
>members of other ethnic groups. After all, Jolas make
>up only 10% of our population and never really
>dominated the economic or political life of Gambia
>disproportionately. As difficult as it's for me to
>admit, I have family members working for Jammeh's
>government. I know Binneh Minteh personally and know
>many members of his family. I'm pretty certain that
>Binneh didn't bring up this issue to inflame public
>attitude against all Jolas but once you let the cat
>out of the bag, it's extremely difficult to control
>it. We now have to sit and listen to Jabou's
>incredulous theory of a Greater Jola State, spanning
>Gambia to Guinea Bissau (not to mention the recent
>shameless attacks on Joe Sambou by her and other shady
>characters). The problem with such an irresponsible
>theory is not that it maybe true - I seriously doubt
>it is - but that people of other ethnic groups who
>start to bel!ieve such an outlandish claim will likely
>feel threatened and will not restrict their animus at
>Jammeh but all Jolas. It doesn't take a genius to
>notice the direction this debate has taken once
>tribalism got welded into it. This forum consist of a
>few select group and I would like to think that we
>consider ourselves here educated and all. With the
>presence and abundance of opportunistic fellows
>anywhere, imagine how vicious such a debate could
>escalate into if it were to take place at the national
>level.
>
>As bad as Jammeh's actions and the situation on the
>ground are, Gambia is VERY farm from turning into
>another Rwanda. As both Godlessgambian and Yusupha
>pointed out, the factors that led to the genocide in
>Rwanda are totally different from what we are now
>witnessing at home. As I said before, I believe Binneh
>is providing valuable service to us  with his post but
>it's important to confine inferences and conclusions
>to within reason.
>
>We have an abundance of issues with which to club
>Jammeh's government. Tribalism, with all its emotional
>baggage and potential to start a whole new set of
>problems is far from being one of the optimal course
>of actions to embark on.
>
>Ousman
>
>Disclaimer: My father is Fula and my mother is
>Mandingo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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