Dampha,

Get real. You cannot wish me to disappear and it happens. It is high time
you recognize that this forum is to enable all Gambians to share their
opinion of anything that will be useful to all of us. Why is it that you
cannot handle any views that are different from yours? In my opinion you
should try to discuss Gambian affaires without so much anger and hatred. You
call people morons, vermin, despicable etec, etc. Why, for God's sake?

Another thing I cannot understand is your obssession with baseless
accusations that these people are stealing money willy-nilly. Why do you
hate them so much? The country belongs to all including Jammeh. In this
critical time in our history it is incumbent upon all of us to put our heads
together to build a better Gambia. The democracy, good governance, human
rights etc, that you keep going on about are not events that just happen.
They are processes that we all have work on. along the way there will be
mistakes and these mistakes need to be studied to avoid repeating them. At
this point in time we have to look forwards and seek solutions to our
problems on the way. There shouldn't be so much hatred amongst us.
Dampha,Muna issiso fring. Relax brother. Remember that it was the collective
will of the Gambian people that put this government in place way back in
1996. The only way to change it democratically is through the enlightenment
of our people to enable them make informed choices.

Time and time again I have told you that my refusal to support the UDP, NRP
or PDOIS is not because I hate them. It has more to do with their political
ideologies and style of delivery. I support this government based on their
vission for this country and how they going about achieving  them. With the
exception of PDOIS, I don't know what the other parties stand for. I like
most of PDOIS's programmes but dislike others. This, I cannot say of the
other parties. The other parties don't seem to know what they want except to
get rid of Jammeh. Period. If they were really serious about the betterment
of the country and not for other motives why are they finding it difficult
to even explain to the ordinary people why they want to be elected?

Have a good day, Gassa.

>From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
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>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Of goats and politics
>Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:02:36 -0400
>
>Gassama, I warned you the other day about lying about people, but I guess
>you are just an incorrigible sycophant that CANNOT help himself. Ordinarily
>I would ignore your irrational rattling because we are now looking forward
>to a brand new Gambia with a new leadership different from anything the
>country has seen before. But on second thought, I am now going to follow
>you
>again all over G_L like I followed you when you were Kebba Jobe and help
>you
>hang yourself. As we move on, I will remind you of certain things you have
>said about people like Waa Juwara, the UDP leadership, Hamat Bah, PDOIS,
>the
>APRC parliamentarians etc. and enjoy you as you swallow your garbage.
>
>Now to your post. In your attempt to sound intelligent and in your
>insatiable quest to be taken seriously by decent folk, you penned this
>ridiculous and silly post. You contradicted yourself again. You are a
>product of the Jawara era. Who were your ‘connections’ in the Mafiosi? How
>did you get a scholarship to go and study abroad from a government that did
>NOT give Ebrima Ceesay a scholarship? Is your boss Bakary Njie also part of
>the Mafiosi you hate so much? How about Fisco Conateh, Amadou Samba, Tarik
>Musa; list goes on. Njie held the same post during the Jawara era that he
>has today. The other people I listed above also did relatively well under
>both regimes. Would you go on record and accuse Njie of corruption?
>Remember
>that one day you insinuated that your boss was corrupt to have given
>Ousainou Darboe a retainer at Gamtel. Do you stand by that innuendo? Mind
>you, Bakary Njie has every right to dismiss you for using Gamtel time to
>spend hours on G_L as Kebba Jobe.
>
>If the Jawara government was so good at fooling the Gambian people and
>rendering them ignorant, how come High School drop-outs like Yaya (morons)
>were the only ‘smart’ Gambians to detect that we needed changes? This is
>why
>I said that your analysis is illogical. This Mafia you are talking about is
>a figment of your imagination. I bet you that I can tell you more horror
>stories about the Jawara regime (because you were enjoying during that
>regime and I was NOT). But unlike you, most of us are looking forward to a
>Gambia led by one of our current Opposition leaders. We will NOT go around
>lying about imagined horrors.
>
>Gambians have heard it all. We all know that this is what gets people jobs
>and favors from this illegal regime. Play victim of the Jawara regime. Say
>how corrupt and unfair that government was to you and bingo you are an
>AFPRC/APRC stalwart. This is why I pounced on Joseph Joof when he was
>appointed to show that he enjoyed from the Jawara regime more than Hawa
>Sisay whose father was a cabinet minister. You are all a bunch of losers. I
>don’t understand how you people can hate yourself so much to pretend that
>you were the down-trodden during the former regime. We all know that you
>are
>a bunch of liars. This is NOT about wiping out corruption and lifting up
>people that were left behind. This is about jealous criminals and low-lives
>stealing power to get stuff they do NOT deserve. Societal norms demand
>certain things from citizens before they enjoy certain life-styles. For
>instance, good education, good manners, good family, good friends. You
>people could NOT measure up to society’s expectations and demands. What did
>you do? High School drop-outs instead of getting better education, decided
>to steal power.
>
>Should people take you seriously when you come here and rattle about Jawara
>corruption when you support a bigger thief with hefty Swiss Bank accounts?
>Meanwhile the Jawara you are accusing have been taken to Commissions of
>Inquiries that found NOTHING on the man. You just proved that despite all
>the education the Jawara government provided for you, you are still a
>‘cave-man’. You are so blatantly stupid that you do NOT even realize that
>people got your number.
>
>Like I promised you yesterday, you are going down. And going down hard. At
>first I was thinking about your young children and was ignoring you when
>you
>‘came out’ because I did not want you to lose your job and your livelihood.
>Now, by the time I am done with you, we would not be talking about a job
>again. Decent Gambians will ostracize you to your computer. You will be an
>aimless nonentity again.
>KB
>
>
>
>>From: Jungle Sunrise <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Of goats and politics
>>Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 13:54:24 +0000
>>
>>Inspired by one of the songs of the Senegambian superstar, Yousou Ndure, I
>>would like to share a few tales with you. The reason for wanting to share
>>my
>>opinion of this particular song with you is because of its relation to
>>many
>>an incident that sometimes goes un-noticed while very easy to see. Please
>>allow me to explain a few things for people to understand how these
>>seemingly unconnected things are actually an integral part of the whole
>>story. Let’s start with a few definitions first.
>>
>>BEIYE (GOAT): small, active horned domestic animal; get one’s goat (sl) -
>>irritate or annoy one; play/act the giddy goat - play the fool/behave in a
>>foolish and excited way; separate the sheep from the goats – separate the
>>good from the bad.
>>
>>Those familiar with West Africa know that goats play a very significant
>>role
>>in our lives. They are highly resistant to diseases and reproduce very
>>quickly and very rarely give birth to single babies. We often rear them
>>for
>>their meat, milk, horns for jujus and hide for our drums.
>>
>>CHERREH: West African cereal meal usually made from sorghum or corn; very
>>nice with goat meat.
>>
>>DAHINNE: A very thick cereal meal that is also very nice when prepared
>>with
>>goat’s meat. There is a Wollof saying that goes like this: “Dahinne Baku
>>lenye ko yengalleh”. Meaning you steer Dahinne with a wooden spoon and not
>>the conventional spoons, as they will break.
>>
>>In this particular song, Yousou Ndure advises that let the goats go with
>>the
>>goats or they may go with the “Cherreh” or the “Dahinne”. For all intents
>>and purposes, we all know that the goat is better off being within other
>>goats than within the “Cherreh” or “Dahinne”. This reminded me of a joke I
>>was told a couple of years ago.
>>
>>THE JOKE
>>A wealthy domineering father, his hardworking wife, his sons of about ten
>>and three and their mate lived in a big house. The dad always wanted to
>>talk
>>about politics to the ten year old kid who would rather not have anything
>>to
>>do with politics. However, out of respect and fear, he tried to get
>>interested in his dad’s drivel about politics. He decided to ask his dad,
>>while having dinner one day, what politics was all about. His dad, who was
>>very excited by his kid’s interest in politics, explained politics thus:
>>
>>You see son, I have all the money and everything in this house belongs to
>>me. So I am “the capitalist”. Your mother here runs the house and she is
>>therefore “the government”. You see the mate there doing all the dirty
>>work
>>there? She is “the masses”. And we are all doing this for you, “the
>>people”
>>and your brother, “the future”. The boy was very confused but pretended to
>>understand. Unfortunately that night, his younger brother did it in bed
>>and
>>the whole room was smelly. He went to inform the mum but found her in such
>>a
>>deep sleep that he could not wake her up and his father was not around. He
>>decided to go wake the mate. However, the mate’s door was locked and she
>>did
>>not answer his knocking even though there were some noises coming from
>>within. He decided to peep through the keyhole to see what was the matter.
>>To his surprise, he saw his dad and the mate doing it with such passion
>>and
>>vigor that they did not even hear him knocking the door. Discouraged, he
>>went back to the smelly room and tried as best as he could to clean up his
>>younger brother and then went to sleep. The next day he was the last to
>>get
>>to the breakfast table were everyone else was already having their
>>breakfast. After saying good morning to them, he told his dad that he
>>really
>>understood politics now. His father was naturally very excited and asked
>>him
>>to explain what he understood about politics. He told his dad that
>>politics
>>is when “the capitalists” SCREW “the masses”, “the government” IGNORES
>>“the
>>people” and “the future” is FULL OF SHIT.
>>
>>Now to those who are yet to get my drift, I will like to share my views of
>>Gambian politics and our concept of it. For over thirty years we had a
>>government that made absolutely no attempt to free its people from
>>ignorance
>>but instead built an oligarchy of very corrupt people who were very
>>insensitive to the plight of the ordinary people. For more than three
>>decades we had a government that did everything that the colonialists did
>>to
>>subdue and control our people. For more than three decades we had one of
>>the
>>most corrupt governments that subdued its citizens like slaves, mystified
>>the role of our leadership and mesmerized the whole population. They used
>>us
>>to weep up nationalist sentiments and hypnotized us into believing that
>>anything other than the status quo was detrimental to the state and our
>>people. We followed them wherever they went and did everything they wanted
>>us to do. We were just like zombies. This government consolidated
>>everything
>>bad that the colonialists did. They created and nurtured various clans
>>that
>>co-existed in “peace and harmony” and enjoyed all sorts of rights (both
>>human and animal rights). We had a clan that ruled, a clan that produced
>>doctors and high ranking officials, a clan that produced lawyers, a clan
>>that tilled the soil, a clan that sang praises and the rest who comprised
>>the clan of the hopeless.
>>
>>The clan that tilled the soil did so honestly and with dedication. Some of
>>them managed to send some of their kids to school, some of whom became low
>>paid policemen, teachers, dispensers, health workers, agricultural workers
>>etc., etc. They also produced some very daring individuals who, while they
>>could not continue their education due to poverty and lack of opportunity,
>>had the brains to understand that something was seriously wrong somewhere.
>>Some of these instead of researching how to improve our subsistence
>>farming
>>methods or some other worthwhile things figured out how to join what has
>>become an oligarchy of privileged people. These soon perfected the art of
>>stealing massive sums of money from our poor folks. Some of them, when
>>found
>>out were promoted or transferred to more secure positions were they can
>>plunder our meager resources without the rest of society knowing about it.
>>This was done in return for them not revealing to the rest of the
>>destitute
>>Gambians how they became rich over night and gained the respect of the
>>Mafiosi. This new breed of thieves ganged up together and plundered all
>>the
>>aid that came into this country. While their kids enjoyed the best
>>education
>>available here and abroad, led the most flamboyant of lifestyles, the rest
>>of society looked on with utter disbelieve. While we had the honest griots
>>telling the stories of our gallant past, the dishonest ones sang the
>>praises
>>of the Mafiosi. For this, this latter group was rewarded with lots and
>>lots
>>of money and other privileges. This was the order of the day until one
>>fateful July day a group of young army officers rudely invited themselves
>>to
>>the party sending most on their way to exile.
>>
>>To be continued.
>>
>>Have a good day, Gassa.
>>
>>
>>
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