Hey guys, wait a minute! What kind of constitutional change are you people
talking about? That he explains why he hires or fires anybody; and when
does he do that? Does he explain before or after the act? Or better still,
does he consult us, the people before he acts? And if so, is it going to be
by way of a referendum or by way of consultations with the National
Assembly? We, in Gambia, have been accused on numerous occassions of
lacking political consciousness, whatever that means, and also of electing
into our house of representatives, inept people. In that case, why consult
us or the National Assembly again?
Finally, where in the whole world are presidents obliged to explain why
they hire or fire anyone? The president has said it many times before, "if
I hire you, people don't make any noise; and yet when I fire you people
want to make noise." Fact of the matter is, "if you cannot stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen."
Have a good day, Gassa.
> Mr. Sanusi Owens,
> You wrote: ". I think some constitutional changes ought to be made to
> avert this style of mismanagement. "
>
> I think you are right. There should be something in the constitution
> that helps to avert such situations. And I think this would help to
> make the governmnet stronger. One of the advantages of that would be to
> keep track of what these folks did to warrant their firing. I am sure
> the president did all of those changes with good intentions, and not
> all of them are firings per se. I think some of them could not have
> fully do what they were nominated to do and that is why at times you
> see some of them landing to some other positions later. And I think
> that is the advantage of doing such changes too. The most advantage
> having such in the constitution, is that we will know what kind of
> misdeed some of these folks might have done so that in future they WILL
> not be entrusted with another public service. And I must emphasise that
> I do not think all the changes or removals are due to some
> criminal/dis- service to the nation. Some might just be as I said not
> able to do what they were choosen to do. And may be some of them are
> just because he lost trust in them to carry his agenda which is to
> develop the nation. And I think that is what we all want.
>
> Ousman Jallow Bojang.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sanusi Owens <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thursday, November 21, 2002 2:21 am
> Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil Service?
>
>> Ous
>>
>> Lets face it President Jammeh has used his Executive
>> powers to hire and fire people indiscriminately. I
>> think some constitutional changes ought to be made to
>> avert this style of mismanagement. President Jammeh
>> has dismissed more Ministers/ Senior Civil Servants
>> than any of his counterparts in the West Africa
>> Africa. Within seven years of APRC rule, we have seen
>> the appointment of 5 Secretary Generals for the Civil
>> Service-From Larry Ceesay, Tapha Wadda, Tasmir Mbye
>> Ebou Ngum and Julia Joiner. Our Civil service is now
>> seen as laughing stock-there is no security of tenure
>> and these are the many reasons why intellectuals in
>> disapora are reluctant to serve the APRC REGIME.
>>
>> So please take note!!
>>
>> Sanusi
>>
>> --- Ousman bojang <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Mr.
>> Sambou,
>> > With all respect, I have not said what you said.
>> > this is what you said:
>> >
>> > "How can he say
>> > that hirings and firings by Yaya is Yaya's business.
>> > No, it's not
>> > Yaya's business but the people of the Gambia's.
>> > Gambia is not Yaya's
>> > personal property and I seriously believe Ousman
>> > does not believe that
>> > either...
>> >
>> > What I said was:
>> >
>> > I do not subcribe to removing ministers for reasons
>> > which could be
>> > criminal
>> > without explaining to the nation. None the less, I
>> > think the president
>> > have
>> > the right to hire/fire any misiters he thinks fits
>> > him. He does not
>> > have to
>> > explain if it is his personal reason...
>> >
>> > On having the Gambians at heart, I think you are
>> > wrong to think or even
>> > feel that you have the Gambian at heart than any
>> > other Gambian. We are
>> > better off passing that grade level now. The gambia
>> > is important to you
>> > just as to any of us here. Just because we disagree
>> > on issues, does not
>> > mean that you or I or anyone here have the interest
>> > of the nation
>> > better than anyone else. How about the few who
>> > against most odds still
>> > went home and left the greener pasteurs behind? How
>> > could you or I
>> > think that we have the interest of the nation more
>> > than those we left
>> > behind? So Mr. Sambou, try to avoid making such
>> > statements to any
>> > Gambian. What I said on the civil servants was:
>> > "On the civil servants, i think a different
>> > measuring stick need to be
>> > used.
>> > No civil servant should be fired for jsut persoanl
>> > reasons being
>> > political
>> > or not. I think such affected folks should be able
>> > to challenege such
>> > actions unless if they thought or knew that they did
>> > something really
>> > bad....
>> >
>> > Dr. Jaiteh, what I meant by saying that is the
>> > president's business to
>> > hire and fire his political appointees is, if he
>> > feels that they do not
>> > serve his interest which I think is the interest of
>> > the nation too,
>> > then he should be able to fire them.He is elected to
>> > serve the nation
>> > and I think he is doing how best he knows to do it.
>> > Some might disagree
>> > with him, but most of the Gambians like me believe
>> > he is doing exactly
>> > that. One thing we need to understand is that we do
>> > not have a law
>> > where we confirm our political appointees and if
>> > they are to be fired,
>> > then how much say do we have as citizens? I will
>> > suggest we try to
>> > introduce some kind of provision to our system where
>> > we have a say of
>> > who is appointed. Only then could we have some
>> > control over how the
>> > replacement of such appointees are done. By the way,
>> > is there any
>> > country anyone here knows where no changes are done
>> > in ministerial
>> > level positions?
>> > My best regards to the family. Ramadan Mubarak to
>> > you all.
>> >
>> > Ousman Jallow Bojang.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Date: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 3:17 pm
>> > Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil
>> > Service?
>> >
>> > > Malanding, I toast to that. It is becoming a norm
>> > for supporters
>> > > of Yaya to
>> > > endorse everything Yaya, without any regard for
>> > Gambians. Ousman
>> > > clearlydid not have Gambians in mind, but to
>> > stroke Yaya's ego.
>> > > How can he say
>> > > that hirings and firings by Yaya is Yaya's
>> > business. No, it's not
>> > > Yaya'sbusiness but the people of the Gambia's.
>> > Gambia is not
>> > > Yaya's personal
>> > > property and I seriously believe Ousman does not
>> > believe that
>> > > either. Why
>> > > he is saying that, beats me.
>> > >
>> > > Chi Jaama
>> > >
>> > > Joe Sambou
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >From: Malanding Jaiteh <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing
>> > list
>> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
>> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > >Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil
>> > Service?
>> > > >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 14:35:03 -0500
>> > > >
>> > > >Ousman,
>> > > >This is where I beg to differ with you.
>> > > >
>> > > >I believe that Gambian people's right to know
>> > about who Jammeh
>> > > fires or
>> > > >hires and why must supersede any right Jammeh has
>> > vested in him.
>> > > Also as
>> > > >far
>> > > >as the service of the Government and the people
>> > of the Gambia is
>> > > concern,>there is no place for personal reasons
>> > when it comes to
>> > > hire and fire. It
>> > > >should be for reasons of national interest plain
>> > and simple.
>> > > >
>> > > >Even where there is no specific requirement for
>> > him to consult
>> > > with the
>> > > >public he should go out of his way and do so. It
>> > can only
>> > > strengthen the
>> > > >people's confidence in him and his government.
>> > Afterall, a
>> > > principled CEO
>> > > >must have and present compelling reasons before
>> > the shareholders
>> > > (in this
>> > > >case the citizens) before hiring or firing
>> > executives. This is in
>> > > >accordance
>> > > >with common sense good practice.
>> > > >
>> > > >As regards the civil servants, I hope we
>> > recognize each time a
>> > > senior civil
>> > > >servant with a degree or two and a decade or more
>> > experience is
>> > > fired, the
>> > > >Gambia lose millions of Dalasi both in terms of
>> > money spent on
>> > > training and
>> > > >loss of productivity. Furthermore the colleagues
>> > they leave
>> > > behind would
>> > > >be
>> > > >even more reluctant to give all they have for one
>> > simple reason:
>> > > "eat drink
>> > > >and be merry for tomorrow you may ....".
>> > > >
>> > > >A Ramadan Kareem.
>> > > >
>> > > >Malanding
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > >From: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>> > > >[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
>> > Of [log in to unmask]
>> > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 12:30 PM
>> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
>> > > >Subject: Re: new heads roll in the Gambia Civil
>> > Service?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >Gassama,
>> >
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