You see, this is what I thought was going on and you just confirmed it.
Elhajj, you really cannot separate Yaya the Jola and Jolas as a group. To
you, Yaya is a Jola, therefore, all Jolas are culpable for everything he
does. What nonsense! While you are at it, why don't you say that I am in
touch with Yaya privately and I'm an informant. This is the sort of
nonsense you will not sneak in here - tribalism.
"You mention in one of your mails that Tombong said, the people shouting on
the G-L and the G-post are the followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD YOU
AND TOMBONG POINT YOUR FINGERS
TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ?"
Since you brought this foreign subject up in this discussion, may be you are
one of those people and if the cap fits wear it.
"Joe, you last went to Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem with
the Yaya government. As you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are always
in touch with Gambia and
you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a different
case."
Elhajj, why don't you speak on something you know? How the hell is someone
in the US going to be in tune with what happens on the ground if you do not
talk to those that can give you info., on the ground. So, I should get that
info., from Sweden? How does Ebrima Ceesay give us info. on the ground from
the UK? Elhajj, are you well?
"Joe, I agree with you that Yaya is surrounded by other tribes. But could
you kindly tell us who are controlling the army ( carrying arms everyday )
and all the other security positions? Maybe you have some information about
that, more than the soldiers who were with them."
Elhajj, if the Jolas are heading the Army, which I agree with, however, they
are not even a tenth in the Army, and Yaya is still in power, don't common
sense tell you that the Leaders in the army and the rest are what is keeping
Yaya in power? Are you that naive? The last time I checked, Mandingoes are
the majority in the army, why do you think Yaya is still in power, 10 years
and counting, Sherlock? Again, common sense should tell you that sycophancy
and self interest in all aspects of Gambian life is what is keeping Jammeh
in power, the army included. Yours and mine in the army are? Elhajj, I do
not speak of Gambians in terms of their ethnicity and your silly comments
are not going to make me start. What I can guarantee you is that I shall
challenge any of you that want to use the ethnicity card to polarize
Gambians. Yaya is a tribalist, but you are not that far from him with your
views. Yaya will Kill Elhajj because he is Serrer and spare Joe because he
is Jola. Are you on crack?
Remember, not too long ago, you were in bed with Ebou Jallow when he was
Yaya's Jali, how did that happen? You were in bed with a known thief and
liar and was willing to defend him at all cost, now you going to come here
and trip about being the "Most Wanted" by Yaya. Did you say zilch when Ebou
begged Yaya for mercy and his campaign on behalf of Yaya subsequently,
barely a year ago? Where were you with your anti Yaya stance, then?
You'll embarked on religious hypocrisy and made so much noise blessing each
other right here. However, where were you when Ebou was all over Islam and
Mohammed? Again hypocrisy and inconsistency. Just in case you slide into
selective amnesia, were you not the same fellow that brought up the issue of
the first republic any time someone said anything about Yaya, not too long
ago? You remember when myself and Yus were on your case then? Rest
assured, this tribalism nonsense of yours will be dealt with anytime you or
anyone try to use it to polarize Gambians. That you can take to the bank.
Chi Jaama
Joe Sambou
>From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
>Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:22:12 +0200
>
>Joe,
>I, for one, have NEVER changed my stance of calling Yaya a tribalist, armed
>thief, armed murderer, Tony Daaba and Armuumin. I stand firm by what I am
>writing,
>and saying in all the midia houses. You mention in one of your mails that
>Tombong said, the people shouting on the G-L and the G-post are the
>followers of the Yaya sycophants. COULD YOU AND TOMBONG POINT YOUR FINGERS
>TO WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE ? I care less about what these sycophants
>are having, and be rest assured that another government will recover every
>single butut they stole from the Gambian people. Joe, you last went to
>Gambia in the year 2000, and you had no problem with the Yaya government.
>As
>you said in your Tam Tam interview, you are always intouch with Gambia and
>you know everything happening on the ground. I think we have a different
>case. Yaya will not hesitate to murder me, if I step my foot in Gambia. I
>left Gambia in 1994 after I was harassed and my passport seized, and I have
>never returned there again. I passed through the airport without a passport
>returning back to Sweden with the last SPIES flight in 1994, and I really
>have no information about what is going on on the ground. So pls., both you
>and Tombong should tell us who the sycophants followers are, rather than
>using ironical words on the G-L and G-P. I will never associate myself with
>these people, who are having Gambian blood on their hands. The ghosts of
>our
>innocent brothers and children are hunting them both day and night, so
>these
>people have their own problems with no end of sleepless nights. I care much
>about my pride and not the worldly goods, which all of us will leave
>behind.
>Even their boss Tony Daabaa does not have that blessing for me to follow
>him, to get some of his stolen wealth. Joe, I agree with you that Yaya is
>surrounded by other tribes. But could you kindly tell us who are
>controlling
>the army ( carrying arms everyday ) and all the other security positions?
>Maybe you have some information about that, more than the soldiers who were
>with them.
>
>Elhajj.
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:49 PM
>Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
>
>
> > Binneh, thanks for your response. We both agree that Yaya is a
>tribalist
> > and would use anyone to that end. However, unlike Rwanda, the majority
>that
> > are doing Yaya's dirty work are the sycophants that run the whole ethnic
> > spectrum, thus my mention of Mandinka, Wolof, and Fula, etc., not just
> > Mandinka alone. I care less what Yaya's ethnicity is, just like I care
>less
> > what religion he is. I am not constrained by tribe, religion,
>friendship,
> > bloodlines or any of those baseless leanings, thus, I'm surprised by the
> > insinuation. I also never mentioned a RED anything in my response, so I
>do
> > not know why the reference in your response. When you said:
> >
> > "Majority versus minority feelings feelings that are being provoked by
>one
> > leader and HIS FOLLOWERS for political and selfish reasons."
> >
> > Who are the followers, ARPC or Jolas? I say the followers are APRC, and
> > they run the entire ethnic spectrum. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
> >
> > "The nocturnal dances that Yahya organizes at his village every day have
>an
> > underlying ethnocentric meaning. He projects those dances on national TV
> > while other tribes are watching with anger.Journalists are obliged to
> > concentrate on projecting the traditional displays of one tribe(being
>his)
> > on national TV."
> >
> > We agree on what Yaya does above. However, I'm also saying that the
>other
> > tribes that you say are watching are the APRC folks that includes Jolas.
> > Again, it is not ethnicity but the sycophancy of all around him. Please
> > correct me if I am mistaken.
> >
> > "These tribes men use machetes,knives and other things to show other
>tribes
> > that they are spiritually powerful and that is appealing which is
>fuelling
> > hidden reactions within other circles back home."
> >
> > Now, we are not talking about Yaya here, but a group. Am I right in
>that
> > assumption?
> >
> > "Why doesn't Yahya invite other tribes and ethnic groups to display and
>then
> > he sells that to the outside world as one Gambia?"
> >
> > Again, we agree that Yaya is a tribalist.
> >
> > "Within Yahya's own ethnic group there are people who he sees as
>inferior
> > because his own immedaitely family geneology are better when it comes to
> > such magical powers.Yahya's myopic ethno! centric and paternalistic
>feelings
> > are meant to provoke an ethnic conflict."
> >
> > Yes, I agree with your first sentence, that Yaya is a tribalist.
>However,
>I
> > do not see the link in your second, because the sycophants that surround
>him
> > are not only Jola, but across all ethnic groups. So, who is going to
> > conduct the ethnic cleansing for him? I suppose not FJC et al, for they
> > control what goes on in that country.
> >
> > Minteh, please understand that there is Yaya as an individual and a
>Jola,
> > and there are innocent Jolas that are anti what Yaya stands for, just
>like
> > you. What I will challenge is the use of Yaya as a Jola to make
>spillover
> > statements that will unduly characterize other Jolas and I would have
> > reacted if the same was said about any ethnic group. Like I told Elhajj
>a
> > while back, there is a difference between discussing Yaya's tribalism
>and
> > making tribalistic statements. The former is the description of the
> > behavior of an individual and the latter is the smearing of a whole
>group
> > wrongly. The sycophants that do the damage in Gambia is what is
>bringing
> > Gambia down and not Yaya's ethnicity, even though Yaya is a tribalist.
>The
> > only way you can have ethnic cleansing is when the entire leadership is
>from
> > a homogeneous group. Can you say that about Gambia and those around
>Yaya?
> > I also do not think of Gambians in terms of ethnicity and would
>challenge
> > any regardless ethnicity, religion, friendship, or blood lines if I
>disagree
> > with their position. Mine was not to critisize you but to argue that it
>is
> > sycophancy that is destroying us and not Yaya's stupid tribalism, thus
>my
> > examples of who is around him.
> >
> > I also think we have more in common in getting Yaya and the APRC out and
> > that, you can take to the bank.
> >
> > Chi Jaama
> >
> > Joe Sambou
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
> > >
> >
> > >From: Binneh S Minteh <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: ANOTHER RWANDA LURKING BEHING GAMBIANS!!
> > >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:34:52 -0500
> > >
> >
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