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Anyone who wants to wipe out Israel is an anti-Semite. 

The gates of repentance are open…….

Now if someone wanted to wipe out the Gambia, or was firing rockets into the Gambia, we would have to do something about that.

 I must explain something: we are all growing. 
The SHEMA includes “You shall love HASHEM, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your resources.”

I took the posting as a criticism of George W. Bush who would like to discourage Iran from wiping anybody out. I have reservations about destabilising Iran. Iran represents Shiism. Irony is that some people would like to wipe out Shiism.

Others would like to wipe out the ideological basis of terrorism.
Yet others would like to wipe out terrorists/ their enemies……

Here’s an interesting article:
http://www.drsoroush.com/English/News_Archive/E-NWS-Times.html

I belong to three Israeli Forums and of course my reason for being here with you, is not in any way connected with Zionism.

I read the article 'Wiped off the Map' ? The Rumor of the Century” early this year, and some other explications in a smiliar vein in some other Iranian papers and of course Israeli ones too:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/800098.html


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881878838&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull


and US mainstream media:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/12/ap/world/mainD8LVI2AO0.shtml

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16149717/

“That Israel will one day be "wiped out" as the Soviet Union” – is a later explanation and perhaps deliberate toning down of the nuclear rhetoric. The man talks like that about the 4th military power in the world and the best air force in the world. He talks like that without being in posession of a single attaché case loaded with a nuclear weapon. You know, Iran is a nation of poets and poetry, with a sharp eye and appreciative eye for beauty, and beautiful gardens, lofty thoughts. Politics?

 What heights of rhetoric will he (The president of Iran) not scale should Shihab 4 be crowned with a nuclear war load, when the Ayatollah issues a fatwa saying “FIRE!”? 

See how far away, Iran is from Israel?
They forget that friend Israel was selling them weapons when they were fighting against Saddam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad_and_Israel

 I know all about Quds day and much of what Imam Khomeini and other Islamic leaders have said about Zionism and what they refer to as the “Zionist entity.”

Someone who really wants to learn must sometimes be docile, ask questions, and even act dumb to get what you want, if you are not too proud to act the beggar that is.

> 
> From: Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2007/05/28 må PM 10:49:00 CEST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Ämne: Re: Corneliuos and his zionist propaganda agenda
> 
> >
> >
> >
> > "...I was merely responding very mildly to these two anti-Semitic postings
> > and without rancour.
> >
> > "Palestine: Israeli Killing Fields"
> > "Bush authorises covert CIA operations to destabilise Iran"..."
> 
> 
> 
> Jabou,
> 
> I hope you noticed the lie buried in the above statement; there was nothing
> "anti-Semitic" in that posting and just for transparency sake, it's copied
> below. One must be hallucinating to call this "anti-Semitic":
> 
> 
> Bush authorises covert CIA operations to destabilise Iran
> 
> http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/may2007/iran-m25.shtml
> 
> By Peter Symonds
> 
> 25 May 2007
> 
> An ABC News report on Tuesday provided further evidence that the Bush
> administration is actively engaged in a covert campaign of destabilisation
> aimed at "regime change" in Iran.
> 
> According to the American television network, Bush signed a formal
> "non-lethal presidential finding" earlier this year authorising "a CIA plan
> that reportedly includes a coordinated campaign of propaganda,
> disinformation and manipulation of Iran's currency and international
> financial transactions".
> 
> Based on information from unnamed former and current CIA officials, ABC News
> reported that Bush approved the plan "about the time that [Admiral William]
> Fallon took over [as head of the Pentagon's Central Command]"?that is, about
> mid-March. It also stated that National Security Adviser Steve Hadley and
> Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams both gave the green light
> for the operation.
> 
> The timing of the plan coincides with a steady stream of articles,
> prominently placed in the media, highlighting Tehran's crackdown on women's
> dress, arrest of dissidents, alleged nuclear weapons programs and support
> for anti-occupation militia operating inside neighbouring Iraq. While it is
> impossible to know how many of these reports are direct CIA "plants," they
> point to a concerted campaign of propaganda and disinformation. Whatever the
> impact inside Iran, such stories serve to poison public opinion in the US
> and internationally in preparation for a possible military strike.
> 
> ABC News was at pains to point out that "approval of the covert action means
> the Bush administration, for the time being, has decided not to pursue a
> military option against Iran". Retired CIA official Bruce Riedel said that
> in the internal White House debate, "Vice President [Dick] Cheney helped to
> lead the side favouring a military strike but I think they have come to the
> conclusion that a military strike has more downsides than upsides."
> 
> These reassurances count for nothing. The US navy continues to maintain two
> aircraft carrier battle groups in the Persian Gulf, which have the capacity
> to mount a sustained air assault on Iran. During his visit to the Middle
> East earlier this month, Cheney pointedly declared on the deck of the USS
> John C. Stennis, just 150 miles off the Iranian coast, "We'll stand with
> others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating the
> region."
> 
> The US fleet began extensive exercises in the Persian Gulf on Wednesday, in
> a move designed to intensify the pressure on Iran as a UN deadline passed
> for Tehran to shut down its uranium enrichment program. Bush has never
> withdrawn his menacing threat that "all options are on the table"?in other
> words, if diplomatic bullying and covert operations fail, the military
> option remains.
> 
> It would also be wrong to conclude that covert operations are confined to
> the CIA. According to a number of media reports, including detailed articles
> from veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, the Pentagon and other
> US agencies have been actively targetting Iran since at least 2004. Unlike
> the CIA, which?formally at least?requires a presidential finding to mount
> "black" operations, the US military has, under Bush, increasingly engaged in
> its own covert activities, including the dispatch of special forces units
> inside Iran, without any congressional oversight.
> 
> There is nothing particularly secret about the Bush administration's
> campaign for "regime change". Last year Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
> sought and received $75 million for anti-Iranian propaganda broadcasts and
> to fund opposition groups inside and outside Iran. In 2005, the figure was
> just $10 million. Rice also established an Iranian Affairs office last year,
> initially headed by Elizabeth Cheney, the vice president's daughter, to
> coordinate policy and provide "pro-democracy funding" for opponents of the
> regime. The *Boston Globe* reported in January that a team of top officials
> from the Pentagon, State Department, CIA, Treasury and National Security
> Council, known as the Iran Syria Policy and Operations Group (ISOG), had
> been working for some time to strengthen military alliances against Iran,
> finance Iranian dissidents and undermine the country economically.
> 
> *US backing for anti-Iranian militias*
> 
> While the approved CIA activities may at present be "non-lethal," the same
> cannot be said of all US activities inside Iran. In his article last
> November entitled "The Next Act: Is a damaged Administration less likely to
> attack Iran, or more?", Hersh provided evidence that the Pentagon was
> covertly supporting minority Kurdish, Azeri and Baluchi tribal groups as a
> means of undermining Tehran's authority in northern and southeastern Iran.
> In particular, the US military was collaborating with Israel in backing a
> Kurdish armed group?the Party for Free Life?based in northern Iraq to foment
> opposition inside the Kurdish regions of Iran and to spy on "targets inside
> Iran of interest to the US".
> 
> A series of ABC News reports last month stated that the US was actively
> backing Jundullah, an armed Baluchi group based in Pakistan, to carry out
> cross-border attacks inside Iran. It reported on April 3 that the militia
> had been "secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005".
> The group was responsible for the bomb blasts in the southeastern city of
> Zahedran in February that killed 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary
> Guard.
> 
> Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Centre, told
> ABC News that* *Jundullah leader Abd el Malik Regi "used to fight with the
> Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist."
> According to this week's report, US officials deny any "direct funding" of
> Jundullah but "say the leader of Jundullah was in regular contact with US
> officials." In other words, in its efforts to bring about "regime change" in
> Iran, the Bush administration is collaborating with Sunni extremists
> associated with the Taliban, which is the main target of the US "war on
> terror" in neighbouring Afghanistan.
> 
> In his most recent article, in February, entitled "The Redirection," Hersh
> says the Bush administration has enlisted the support of the Saudi monarchy
> and other Sunni states such as Jordan in a bid to counter the influence of
> Shiite Iran across the Middle East. As the article points out, the US might
> not be "directly funding" groups like Jundullah and other Sunni extremist
> militia, but autocratic Saudi Arabia is able to secretly provide large
> amounts of money, as it did to Al Qaeda in the 1980s in the CIA's war
> against the Soviet-backed regime in Afghanistan.
> 
> Hersh also highlighted the role of Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott
> Abrams, a prominent neo-conservative who was an active participant in the
> Reagan administration's illegal arming of the right-wing Nicaraguan contras
> through the covert sale of weapons to Iran in the 1980s. Abrams eventually
> pled guilty to lying under oath to cover up the Iran-contra scandal. His
> past crimes were no hindrance, however, to his appointment by Bush as deputy
> national security adviser with a special brief for "global democracy
> strategy"?that is, for undermining regimes targetted by the administration.
> 
> According to Hersh's sources, Abrams has used his experiences to bypass
> congressional oversight of a series of clandestine operations, not only
> inside Iran, but directed against pro-Iranian groups such as Hezbollah in
> Lebanon. Access to funds appears to have been no problem, as a Pentagon
> consultant explained: "There are many, many pots of black money, scattered
> in many places and used all over the world on a variety of missions." Other
> US officials pointed out that the billions of dollars unaccounted for during
> the first months of the US occupation of Iraq had been "a vehicle for such
> transactions".
> 
> *Iran reacts*
> 
> Commenting to ABC News about Bush's secret presidential finding, Vali Nasr,
> a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, warned: "I think
> everybody in the region knows that there is a proxy war already afoot with
> the United States supporting anti-Iranian elements in the region as well as
> opposition groups within Iran. And this covert action is now being escalated
> by the new US directive, and that can very quickly lead to Iranian
> retaliation and a cycle of escalation can follow."
> 
> A senior US State Department official admitted to the *Washington Post* that
> the US was funding oppositionists, albeit indirectly. "We saw early on the
> problem we would pose if we tried to support them directly. We didn't want
> to get them into hot water. That's why we're doing it through third
> countries," he said.
> 
> Already the Iranian government has seized on the US campaign to justify its
> own political witch-hunt, including the roundup of political opponents as
> "spies" and "US agents". US-based Human Rights Watch analyst Hadi Ghaemi
> told the *Washington Post* last month: "Dozens of Iranian activists are
> paying the price since the announcement of the $75 million and practically
> everyone who has been detained over the past year has been interrogated
> about receiving this money. They [the authorities] are obsessed with the
> perception that the US is fuelling a velvet revolution through this money."
> 
> A broad range of activists have been detained and interrogated, including
> teachers, women's rights campaigners, labour organisers, students,
> journalists and intellectuals. "When the US announces its support for civil
> society movements, it becomes a ready tool for the Iranian government to use
> against independent activists. It's really been counterproductive," Fariba
> Davoodi Mohajer, a women's rights activist, told the newspaper.
> 
> Several visiting foreign academics and journalists have also been caught up
> in the security dragnet, including Radio Farda correspondent Parnaz Azima
> and Haleh Esfandiari, from Washington's Woodrow Wilson Centre. Both hold
> dual US-Iranian citizenship and were visiting family members in Iran.
> Esfandiari, who has become something of a cause célèbre in American ruling
> circles, was formally detained on May 8, after being prevented from leaving
> the country, and has been accused of trying to foment a "soft revolution"
> and spying for the US and Israel.
> 
> While the Iranian regime has offered no evidence to justify its repressive
> measures, the outrage expressed by the Bush administration and congressional
> Democrats is completely hypocritical. Secretary of State Rice declared last
> week that Esfandiari should be released immediately, saying her case
> demonstrated that the Iranian regime "does not treat its people... very
> well." State Department spokesman Sean McCormack dismissed Iranian
> accusations that the academic was seeking to overthrow the Iranian
> government as "poppycock" and "utter nonsense".
> 
> Whether or not Esfandiari is involved, Rice's perspective is certainly
> "regime change" in Tehran. Moreover, with the complicity of the Democrats,
> the Bush administration has arbitrarily detained without trial, and in many
> cases tortured, thousands of people in Iraq, Afghanistan and the US itself,
> including five Iranian officials seized from an Iranian liaison office in
> northern Iraq in January.
> 
> The campaign for "regime change" in Iran has nothing to do with defending
> "democracy" or the political rights of the Iranian population. Its sole
> purpose is to advance US strategic and economic interests. Iran not only
> contains huge reserves of oil and gas, it sits at the strategic crossroads
> of the resource-rich regions of Central Asia and the Middle East.
> 
> US and Iranian officials are due to meet next week in Baghdad to discuss the
> deteriorating security situation confronting American occupation forces in
> Iraq. The meeting is unlikely to ease the escalating tensions between the
> two countries.
> 
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