Things are done, step by step: This is preliminary: Is Zimbabwe a democracy? Is the black man now free? 

You have misrepresented the struggle as being between Mugabe & his thugs and the Zimbabwean people’s opposition, the MDC which you believe is foreign backed (they won 57 seats in the last election in which foreigners did not vote). They have an alternative solution for the betterment in the lives of the post-liberation Zimbabwe.


I am not about to get into some meaningless polemical debate or rhetorical exchanges with you. We both agree that LAND is a main issue in Zimbabwe and that the economic disparity between the landowners and the still landless has to be addressed not with nuclear weapons but in a non-violent way, perhaps at this stage, a SATYAGRAHA way. Today as we can see, it is mostly MDC-Zimbaweans that are being targeted by police brutality and this is in no way improving the economy or the lives of the Zimbabwean people.

Some years ago I was part of Runoko Rashidi’s very Afro-centric global African Presence discussion group. Nothing wrong about being Afrocentric, in fact it is the title to my favourite Jimmy Dludlu album, from a few years ago and I recommend it:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Jimmy+Dludlu+%22Afrocentric%22&btnG=Search&meta=


It’s difficult being in a Forum in which everybody is against you or takes another side on an issue.Time and energy–consuming. When in the company of those who are burning for their rights, there is no beating about the bush. The background is clear. I joined the Palestinian Chronicle Forum, but was not allowed to post. Saw someone being manhandled by the Forum admin and eventually barred, because he presented some unassailable facts.

” So like Mugabe told his masters, he can go hang!”(Kabir)

Kabir, 

I am not an enemy of the people of Zimbabwe and have law-abiding relatives and friends there.

Where is your compassion?

You have read about man’s inhumanity to his fellow black man here:

http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=303885&area=/insight/insight__editorials/

Liberation struggles also took place in Angola, Namibia, Mozambique…….you know?

Yes, Zimbabwe is a sovereign state and all Zimbabwean-owned land, is in Zimbabwe. The land is sovereign Zimbabwean territory and those who work it, and manage it, are Zimbabweans.

When the Trade Unions went on strike the other day, it was to ensure a humane minimum wage for workers and that includes farm workers so that they may be able to meet the extreme poverty imposed by the officially highest inflation in today’s world.

In “Ubuntu: The Essence of Democracy” a 62 page booklet, Mfuniselwa John Bhengu says “It is possible to respect human rights as well as all other values related to them and still maintain ones identity.”
In Shona, Zimbabwe’s most widely spoken indigenous language, Ubuntu translates as Unhu.

You could look at the qualitative criteria for measuring happiness, but in this list which was compiled before the most recent events in that country, Zimbabwe is 177out of 178. Who is to blame?
http://www.physorg.com/news73321785.html

Thus said Chairman Mugabe:

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertmuga362076.html
 And how has he gone about meeting the challenge, now that  Zimbabwe once Africa’s second biggest exporter of wheat has now for several years been suffering a famine . 
http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkjQwZRZGugQBJJ9XNyoA?p=Famine+in+Zimbabwe&ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&x=wrt

If you didn’t know it, then know it now: SUDAN can/could feed the whole of Africa.

 In 2003 Muammar al-Qadhafi (who does not himself grow wheat has been a great helper to the Zimbabwean people in such desperate need. If you don’t have food, you die. He donated $1.3 billion dollars worth of food to that country:
http://www.mathaba.net/news/?x=30378

One of Kabir’s most famous lines of poetry is “I laugh when I hear that the fish in water is thirsty” – he was talking about other than material food of course, but it puts you in mind of, e.g. Sierra Leone potentially one of the richest countries in Africa with people living in the midst of such riches in natural resources, but like Kabir’s fish still mired in poverty and thirst.

The man who introduced me to the poetry of KABIR is Baba Muktananda Paramahansa. 
 I think that it was either in 1976 or 1979 or both years that I heard him say “God Bless America.” And yes, Kabir junior, America feeds a lot of people. Look at all that food aid and how many would have died without it.

In my own country of birth, Sovereign and independent Sierra Leone, Food Security is a priority. With a population said to be 5, 000,000 and with rice as our staple food, we are still importing rice, when in fact we should be exporting it to  among others e.g. our starving brothers in Zimbabwe and Burkina Faso. Even as you read this have 50 Chinese families teaching us how to grow rice. (I remember that in the 60s we had China teaching us how to get two harvests a year) Now one of our own Dr. Monty Jones has come up with a new rice seedling which gives a bigger harvest yield:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Dr.+Monty+Jones+and+the+new+rice&btnG=Search&meta=

Africans belong to the land. Not only Africans.

 During the cold war years we all got to know the difference in output between Soviet state controlled farms, and the output of private incentives like Jimmy Carter the capitalist peanut farmer.

 You see all the tall buildings and wonderful roads in Zimbabwe? Who built them?

http://images.google.co.uk/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&q=Harare&btnG=Search+Images

And who built America (USA)? 

 I would like to hear from you why the Zimbabwean economy which was one of the best in the world is now in tatters, even after Mugabe has taken over some of the farms and given others to his best friends.

 As I said, this is preliminary. Now please excuse me, it’s now 18.30 Stockholm time and I now have to do my cooking……..self…..intend to be back on Saturday night….. Have a nice (happy) weekend.






> 
> From: Kabir <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2007/04/06 fr AM 03:33:02 CEST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Ämne: Re: Zimbabwe/ About Cornelius
> 
> Jabou,
> Don't worry, I won't waste my time on him. He can keep on beating about the
> bush and quoting the price of tea in China when confronted with the question
> at the heart of this conflict. You are right, he knows damn well what the
> issues is but as long as his masters have not come up with a pointer for
> him to argue, something which they themselves don't have, thus the lies, he
> has nothing to come up with. So like Mugabe told his maters, he can go hang!
> Regards,
> Kabir.
> 
> 
> On 4/6/07, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Kabir,
> >
> > I think Cornelius here knows the facts but he definitely has an agenda
> > based on all we have seen from him so far. I would not waste time on him at
> > all. Let us just watch him do his dance.
> >
> > Jabou Joh
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 7:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: Zimbabwe
> >
> > Are you serious? You think I give a damn who you are related to, whose
> > company you keep or what books you have read? What use is your familiarity
> > with colonial history or the books you have read when you cannot get a
> > point
> > as simple as honouring an agreement signed at the dawn of independence to
> > return stolen land?
> >
> > Keep on googling... At the end of the day if you haven't learnt better
> > than
> > to take the side of a double-crossing thief you would not have come far.
> >
> > To disregard the fact that thousand of families are suffering daily
> > because
> > the economically powerful relatives of the thief gang up and demand that
> > unless the thief retains the stolen property they will strangulate their
> > small economy and make them continue to catch hell.
> >
> > To disregard that fact that when the aggrieved party, after decades of
> > suffering they could tolerate no longer, mobilized to fight against their
> > oppressor thieves, got an agreement from the thieves and their relatives
> > that the stolen property will be returned only to be nakedly and
> > shamelessly
> > double-crossed.
> >
> > To side with the thief when a fight ensues over returning the stolen
> > property - a fight in the the thief is far more well-off than the victim
> > and
> > does not even need the stolen property for his continued survival - but
> > continue to highlight and trumpet the fact that agents of the thieves have
> > been dealt broken noses and bruises.
> >
> > When you cannot see beyond the broken noses and bruises and ask why the
> > parties are fighting in the first place, or when you are told why they are
> > fighting you elect to ignore the facts of history and bury your head in
> > the
> > sand because for one reason or another you cannot fathom why Black people
> > would stand up for their rights, especially against Europeans.
> >
> > That to me is to say that Black people are not equal or don't deserve the
> > same rights and treatment as all other people; that Black people should
> > just
> > let Europeans continue to control their economies and be content with
> > whatever crumbs come their way.
> >
> > If that is your justification for labelling me "Black Radical" you must be
> > the most clueless Black man that ever lived. Googling "Kabir" won't help
> > you; googling "Mugabe" won't help you either. Nor will highlighting all
> > the
> > symptoms of the Zimbabwe crisis. Get to the bottom of the issue, the Land
> > Issue for which Zimbabweans shed their blood only for your idols to pull
> > this big double-cross that they have been making attempts for years to
> > camouflage with lies and deception.
> >
> > That is what I am interested in. Robert Mugabe is just and individual. It
> > is
> > the policies that he stands for that I support, it could have been any
> > other
> > Zimbabwean for that matter. As far as they continue to demand the stolen
> > land back we are on the same page Your ilk have been so blinded by Western
> > progagand that you cannot see beyond the person of Mugabe at the bigger
> > picture: the rights of Zimbabweans to regain land that was stolen at gun
> > point; daylight robbery!
> >
> > You can go to all the higher institutions of learning in the world, at the
> > end of the day if what you have learnt does not avail you the wherewithal
> > to
> > recocnise injustice it would all have been in vain, naught!
> >
> > So save yourself the trouble "Mr Hemelberg," for I don't see what you
> > could
> > possibly come with to defend this indefensible act of deceit and betrayal.
> > The very reason you have been avoiding the point at the centre of this
> > whole
> > saga, the land issue is that the land thieves and those fighting their
> > battles in all the international stage have not given you a plausible
> > justification to argue with. So unless you address the land issue I'm not
> > going to waste my time engaging you, for whatever you may come with I can
> > get from the source, your masters!
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/07, Cornelius Edward Hamelberg <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kabir,
> > >
> > > http://www.statehouse.gm/tijankabbah-visit_030407.htm
> > >
> > > http://news.sl/drwebsite/publish/article_20055173.shtml
> > >
> > > I will give you the attention that you deserve, but right now, I'm
> > > otherwise
> > > engaged. I am familiar with (African )colonial history in some
> > > depth: India,
> > > North America, Australia, Algeria, Ghana, Kenya, South Africa, Congo,
> > > Nigeria, Guinea, of course Zimbabwe, you name it and people like Walter
> > > Rodney and even the type of ideas that you are likely to find in the
> > Race
> > > and
> > > History website. Apart from that I have kept the company of some of
> > these
> > > people. So please excuse me for the next couple of hours and ?? respect
> > -
> > > let
> > > me return to give you the answer that should engage you, so that
> > although
> > > you may be Sir Mr. Black Radical, I won't let you down.
> > > My second brother (I have three) is married to a Zimbabwean whose mother
> > > is
> > > Boer from South Africa and whose father is Black and from Zimbabwe.
> > >
> > > http://www.raceandhistory.com/Zimbabwe/
> > >
> > > Later.
> > >
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