Saffie am really impressed the way you are dealing with tribal issue, for me
it is a false premise to start from, for it is factula that Jammeh cannot
provide all the Jolas with good houses, good schools, good medical
facilities, despite whatever goodwill the majority of the Jolas just like
any other ordinary Gambian would go to the market ona daily basis and
realise that the prices are not designed to serve their tribal distinction,
hence tribalism is a fallacious arguement. After all the majority of the
exploiting class come frfom all the tribes those exploited as well I mean
the hoipoloi come fro every tribe. To make assertions of this sort will
never help liberate the sufferingmasses, afterall when the tax is being
collected and squandered, they do not say this is jola money therefore we
will not waste, of course they would take all and waste it. Jawara  a
Mandinka have ruled Gambia for threee decades but the mandikas as well as
the fulas jolas and serahules in the rural areas experience the same issues
of poverty, this is the truth, whoever rules your tribal biasness will never
help resolve the fundamental issues that afflicts the people, hence the
emphasis as so called educated is to make the people that all these are just
schemes to divide and rule but it never brings development. If a ruler is
apparently prejudiced we must constantly exposed it and educate the people
that this is all a fallacy after all the masses would still be drinking from
wells pay high fees as well as face poor medical facilities these are issues
that will commonly confront the gambian people. Positions in the army as
well as the police may be given to a particular group all this reflects is
not necessarily7 love for that group, but it highlights the level of
insecurity otherwise such positions will only be occupied on merit.


>From: "Ceesay, Soffie" <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh
>Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 07:18:34 -0700
>
>Brothers and sisters -
>
>The grey on my head is multiplying (no kidding), thanks to the daily grind
>of life in the US and the struggle we have to wage for Gambia's liberation.
>  And, thanks also to dialogue that has only helped to fan the flames of
>mis-understanding between those of us who are fighting the same fight.  I
>hate to go against what my elders say and so I apologize before hand but,
>what pertains in the Gambia is not a JOLA problem, but Gambia's problem.
>That Yaya is a tribalist we all agree on.  A tribalist for whom and against
>whom, very hard for me to say and I will dis-agree with anyone who singles
>out anyone tribe.  The Jola's are as much at the receiving end of his
>tyranny as everyone else.  Those who've helped prop him up come from every
>strata of Gambian society and to allow ourselves to miss this point sends
>shivers up my spine.
>
>At our last demonstration in New York, when reporter Ebou Waggeh asked a
>question (I do not recall what it was), this lady pushed forward and began
>to spew spittle about the Jolas this and the Jolas that.  I was frightened
>- frightened because she was speaking from her heart and frightened that
>she has allowed herself to be manipulated into segmenting our society by
>the shenanigans of a loony.  If I were to turn around and ask her what any
>Jola has done to her or her family before Jammeh or now, she would have
>pointed only to Jammeh.  My response to that comment, to Waggeh, was this -
>Yaya was born a Jola and that is as far as he can claim.  Those who
>benefited from and supported him run the tribal gamut.
>
>Some of us are lucky and can claim to be a bonafide Wollof, Mandinka, Jola,
>Sarahuleh, Manjaago, or whatever.  So what?  At the end of the day, what
>does that bring you?  I will suggest that many Gambians are like me who
>cannot claim to be a bonafide anytribe even if I grew up speaking only
>Wollof.  I will also suggest that it is people in our families and tribes
>who will put the screws to you without a second thought and Yaya is no
>different.  For political expediency, he uses whatever he can and if
>tribalism is readily available and he's proved that it can polarize the
>opposition, why not use it.  My sincerest apologies to all as well as my
>regards.  I now go back to the plantation grind.
>
>Soffie Ceesay
>A Gambian
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jabou Joh [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:24 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Joe Sambou & Tribalism/ Conteh
>
>
>In a message dated 4/6/04 6:09:09 AM Central Daylight Time,
>[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> > Joe:
> >
> > I don't see anything wrong with Mr. Fye.  In fact, I think what he
>evokes
> > should
> > be commended.  What is wrong with someone intimating that yahya is using
> > Jolas to be indifferent?  Tell me if a single Jola who has been accused
>of
> > corruption ever was arrested.
> >
> > While I commend you for your numerous contributions, I am really concern
> > that
> > you get upset when one mentions the word "Jola."  What is wrong with
>that?
> > It
> > is true that a lot of Jolas and other tribes benefited from Jammeh's
> > trabilim.
> >
> > We should conclude that this tribal sentiment has to stop.  May be you
> > should be
> > the first person to condemn tribalism.  By the way, why did you visit
>Tejan
> > Ceesay at the Gambian Embassy in DC.  Should this not be a concern to
> > Gambians?
> > Can we trust you?  Are you sleeping with the enemy?
> >
> > Naphiyo,
> > Comrade ML Jassey-Conteh
> >
> > Conteh,
>
>I have always found it interesting that Joe Sambou has taken it upon
>himself
>to keep people from discussing certain issues, Jammeh's Jola tribalism
>being
>foremost among those issues even as he claims to be a champion of the
>people's
>rights. The contradictions are obvious because there is no conflict with
>one
>calling attention to Jammehs' tribalistic tendencies and favouritism and
>for
>the life of me, I cannot see how anyone who opposes this man can at the
>same
>time wage a campaign to silence people from talking about that. I should
>think
>that part of the process of opposing and exposing Jammeh would be to talk
>about
>this issue of tribal favouritism and its' possible repercussions especially
>if
>one is Jola.
>
>I have asked Joe Sambou before to tell us whose side he was on when he has
>waged canpaigns to silence people about certain subjects, and he never
>takes me
>up on those even as he has much to say about everything else. The
>information
>I have is that the visits with Tejan Ceesay at the Gambian embassy in DC
>were
>not restricted to one, but were regular.
>One thing i do know is that Gambians are easy to infiltrate. All one has to
>do is beat your breast and repeat what the people are saying.
>
>Jabou Joh
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Apr 5, 2004 2:55 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: AN APPEAL TO ALL GAMBIA L SUBSCRIBERS
> >
> > Joe,
> > Welcome back! Yaya Jammeh is a tribalist, armed murderer, Armed thief,
>Tony
> > Daabaa and Armuumin. He killed our brothers, children and countinue to
> > harass,
> > Torture, intimidate, exile and punishing a whole nation. Am I now an
> > ignorant and no more a fool? Can you forward the mail I said that the
>first
> > rebuplic harassed me? Where did Ebou Jallow send his mail? Can you
>answer to
> > these questions? Nothing can change my stance that Yaya is a tribalist!
> >
> > Elhajj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: AN APPEAL TO ALL GAMBIA L SUBSCRIBERS
> >
> >
> > > Elhajj, you are one ignorant person.  Keep foaming, the more you talk,
>the
> > > more folks know who you are.  Like I said before, when it comes to
> > > tribalism, you are no different from Yaya with your ignorance.  You
>can
> > > carry on with your few backers, but folks would just relegate you for
>what
> > > you are.  Keep up the ignorance.
> > >
> > > Chi Jaama
> > >
> > > Joe Sambou
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Elhajj Mustapha Fye <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> > > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: AN APPEAL TO ALL GAMBIA L SUBSCRIBERS
> > > >Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2004 04:59:09 +0200
> > > >
> > > >Mose,
> > > >Yaya and his supporters are up to no good for Gambia. How can you
>believe
> > > >that Jammeh cares less about the Jolas as a tribe? The guy is
>surrounded
> > > >all
> > > >over Kanilai with Jolas ready to act on anything he tells them. Do
>you
> > > >believe these lies his double standard supporters are peddling here?
> > > >Pls.find out properly!
> > > >
> > > >Elhadj.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2004 2:39 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: AN APPEAL TO ALL GAMBIA L SUBSCRIBERS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > JAbou,
> > > > >
> > > > > You are absolutely right that it is important to talk about tribal
> > > >issues,
> > > >not only to avoid a Rwanda type of a situation, but to think that
> > tribalism
> > > >does not shape our politics is utter nonsense. Personally, I do not
>think
> > > >we
> > > >have a tribal animosity like the Hutus and the Tutsi. In fact, I am
> > willing
> > > >to make a stretch that JAmmeh cares less about the Jolas as a tribe.
>This
> > > >is
> > > >not about the Jolas, but moreso about Jammeh the person and what he
>has
> > to
> > > >do to maintain the status quo. He will exploit all avenues of
> > sensitivities
> > > >to maintian power and his political survival. For anyone to thing
>think
> > > >that
> > > >all these have anything to do with the establishment of a Jola empire
>is
> > > >ridiculous. As for the suggestion that moving the "Capital" to
>Kanilai is
> > a
> > > >clear indication of this dream of a Jola empire, is just that. This
>is
> > all
> > > >about Jammeh the egomaniac, and "Jola this or Jola that" has nothing
>to
> > do
> > > >with anything. Although, like any other dishonest political survivor
>he
> > > >will
> > > >conti
> > > > >  nue manipulate and will use all the tribes for his own political
>end.
> > > > >
> > > > > Musa Jeng
> > > > > > From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Date: 2004/04/03 Sat PM 01:10:02 EST
> > > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > Subject: Re: AN APPEAL TO ALL GAMBIA L SUBSCRIBERS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a message dated 4/3/04 11:20:49 AM Central Standard Time,
> > > > > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "we have two options either to let history take a
> > > > > > > disastrous path or shape the course of history towards
> > > > > > > the right path."
> > > > > > > ."The purpose of history is to learn the lessons of
> > > > > > the past and we let history repeat itself in vice then
> > > > > > we might be very sorry for ourself. We will then let
> > > > > > both ourself and our future children down."
> > > > > > "The Gambia is country of tolerance and is not divided
> > > > > > by tribal demarcations and tribal values or allegiance
> > > > > > have no place in The Gambia."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brother,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think we need to be very clear before we label people that are
> > > >commenting
> > > > > > on tribal issues as tribalists.
> > > > > > I am making a comment on the issue of tribalism for the reasons
>you
> > > >have
> > > > > > stated and which I have quoted above. There are some indications
> > that
> > > >Jammeh is
> > > > > > playing a tribal card and the very reason that such things have
>led
> > to
> > > >genocide
> > > > > > and other horrible things in places like Rwanda is because no
>one
> > > >wanted
> > > >to
> > > > > > talk about it. I think we have to discuss these issues so that
>we
> > can
> > > >let it be
> > > > > > known that the people are very much aware of any attempts to
>engage
> > in
> > > >such
> > > > > > things and thereby avoid the possible consequences in our own
> > country.
> > > > > > We as Gambians have a tendency to not talk about things until
>they
> > get
> > > >out of
> > > > > > hand and we cannot affort to do that in this. case.
> > > > > > Rather, I think the issue to how do we get across to Jammeh that
> > > >tribalism
> > > > > > will not be tolerated, as opposed to trying to put a gag order
>on
> > the
> > > >discussion
> > > > > > of tribalism even when there are certain tendencies that will
>cause
> > > >divisions
> > > > > > along tribal lines being  implemented by Yaya Jammeh. For
>example,
> > why
> > > >is it
> > > > > > that Gambians have never asked the question why Jammeh moved our
> > > >capital
> > > >to
> > > > > > Kanilai? Is there a plausible explanation for this action?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jabou Joh
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