Jabou and Habib ,thanks for the enlighten discussions .God bless.
Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]> wrote: The following table lists the Gregorian dates of New Year, the beginning of Ramadan, the date of Eid al-Fitr and Eid al-Adha, according to the Ummal-Qura.
Year
1 Muharram
1 Ramadan
1 Shawwal
10 Dhul-Hijja
1425
21 Feb 2004 Sa
15 Oct 2004 Fr
Nov 2004
21 Jan 2005 Fr
1426
10 Feb 2005 Th
4 Oct 2005 Tu
3 Nov 2005
10 Jan 2006Tu
1427
31 Jan 2006 Tu
24 Sep 2006 Su
23 Oct 2006
31 Dec 2006 Su
1428
20 Jan 2007 Sa
13 Sep 2007 Th
13 Oct 2007
20 Dec 2007 Th
1429
10 Jan 2008 Th
1 Sep 2008 Mo
1 Oct 2008
8 Dec 2008 Mo
1430
29 Dec 2008 Mo
22 Aug 2009
20 Sep 2009
27 Nov 2009 Fr
1431
18 Dec 2009 Fr
11 Aug 2010
10 Sep 2010
16 Nov 2010Tu
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> Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:08:29 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> To: [log in to unmask]> > > Brother Habib,> > Thanks.> As I mentioned, I have no problem with the choice of Makkah as the point of > reference for the moon sightings. Infact, I think that it is something > befitting that should have been done long ago because it is a point of reference for > the Ummah.> The slaughtering en masse also makes sense because the pronouncement of > Allah's (SWT) name is what matters there so no major departures from the sunnah.> Loud speakers make sense as aids to better conveyance of what is being said.> Therefore, opposition to these above mentioned items is a bit fanatical.> However, when it comes to the actual sighting of the moon with the naked > eye, that is the sunnah of the Prophet and even the Qu'ran mentions that. > Deciding to depend on mathematical and astronomical calculations alone without > seeing the actual moon
crescent is another matter altogether. Innovation I say.> We already know that in the lunar calendar we follow in Islam, some months > are 30 days and some are 29, and the Prophet told us that during his time. > During Ramadan, actually sighting the moon is what determines if we fast 29 days > or 30 days.> I personally think that it is a dangerous departure.> Instead, what needed to be done was to have the Ummah World-wide defer to > the Makkans whenever they inform us that the moon has been sighted over there > with the naked eye and go with that as opposed to going with calculations. > I remember that during the time that the late Serigne Modou Lamin Bah was > imam of Banjul, if the moon was sighted in Makkah, he would make the decision to > go along with that schedule.> > May Allah guide the Ummah to the straight path and protect us from Bi'da.> May He inspire and help us to keep our faith pure.> > Please remember us, the rest of our compatriots and the Ummah in your >
prayers.> > wassalaam,> Jabou> > In a message dated 9/11/2007 10:46:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [log in to unmask] writes:> > Balal na la Ahha> yes indeed sister jabou> for several months since jan 2007 all the muslim scholars that are > astronomers and mathematicians met with some religious scholars in europe , south asia > and in the usa plus experts from Africa ( capetown and cairo) to finalize > this method> > the key is very simple and strategic one location was selected and which > city better than mekkah> so when the new moon is born ( the know the exact time to the seconds ) in > mekkah area alone before sunset then we start the new lunar month the > following day but when the new moon is born after sunset then the next day is the > first day- reasoning is that since each month is exactly 29.5 (and half day) > so it means some months will be 30 days and some 29 only> there is no half day - so it makes sense and yes it has been accepted by > the scholars> > >
remember when the microphone or loud speakers fist came about abot 60 years > ago many indo pak muslims also refused to use them because it was not used in > the time of the prophet (pbuh) and not sunnah > well with technonogy and science advances Imams now use these loudspeakers > to give khutbas to big crowds of worshippers so all can hear him deliver > his speech. and there is no debate on this matter any more with the cell phones > and land lines -telephones have sms /ims , cameras and even videos now to > almost mini computers > > we have the same issues with mechanical slaughter of chickens versus hand > slaughter - now machine slaughtered chickens are allowed as long as they are > supervised properly to avoid mistakes and the tasmiah is said by the muslim > supervisors during the process> > a classic example used was that during the prophets time people performed > pilgrimage to mekkah on horses and camels now we us airoplanes and cars and > boats. > > best regards
to y'all in the south and have a blessed month of Ramadan> Hajj Habib> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 22:35:50 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to be on thursday> To: [log in to unmask]> > Habib,> > > Balal na la, balal ma ahhah.> > Astronomical calculations instead of > actually sighting the moon? I have no issues with the rest of the Islamic World > going along with the Makkans sighting of the moon as the start and end of > Ramadan, but is the new standard of going with astronomical calculations sunnah?> > > Jabou> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Habib Ghanim > > To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 8:21 pm> > Subject: Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks sister > Jabou > thank God the whole universe this year starts on the same day ie 13 th > sept and > will celebrate eid on 13 th october 2007> from now on we will all > noy look for the new cresent moon as the new global > standard
will use makkah > as the target for the whole world and now based on > astronomical and > mathematical calculations only > we know when eid will fall for 5 years now without > complains ( except the > bangladashis and indo pakistanis) inshallah this is > a good move to unify the > ummah> > balal ma ahhah > may we meet next years > ramadan in good health inshallah> habib Diab ghanim> > > > > Date: Tue, 11 > Sep 2007 20:01:34 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: > first ramadam to > be on thursday> To: [log in to unmask]> > Ramadaan > Mubarak.> May > Allah (SWT) accept our fasting and forgive us our sins.> > Jabou > Joh> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: SUNTOU TOURAY > > > To: [log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 > 1:19 pm> > Subject: first ramadam to be on thursday> > > > > > > > > > > the main > > islamic news chanel in U.k announce that ramadan will comence on > thursday the > > 13th of september.> i wish every body a
blessed ramadan. i am sure baba and > some > sanyang kunda > folks will be happy that we will wait for another day > to start > the fast .not > forgeting the darboe kunda crew .saloum,haruna and > lj darboe > .God bless ,guys.> suntou.> > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of > postings, go to the Gambia-L Web > > interface> at: > http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To Search in > the Gambia-L archives, go to: > http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> > To contact the List > Management, please send an e-mail to:> [log in to unmask]> > > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________> > Email > and AIM finally together. You've gotta check
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