Very true  - you are right as stated in surah rahman many times 

which of God's creations do you deny??

all that Allah has given us is wonderful and exciting I experienced what was said in the same surah rahman where the two seas meet and do not mix 

i saw it in capetown south africa from the table mountain 

where the atlantic ocean meets the Indian - one is warm the other cold ( so the colours vary- light and dark)   but the fact remains even though they meet at cape point in south Africa literally one is as cold as can be while the other as warm as it is even at arms length i am told  ,so such God's creations are truely incredible 







> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:09:25 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> To: [log in to unmask]> > Greetings, Habib, you know, my problem is that many times, I speak> very forcefully about an issue, especially if I have a strong opinion> on it, and when you're dealing with written communication, soemtimes> things don't come across the way they were intended. You are correct> I've read Br. Khalid's site where he talks about people seeing thin> clouds or smoke or something else, and thinking it was the moon.> > > You know it's funny becuase I'd always thought that if I could see,> perhaps then I'd be able to see the moon too and I'd finally know what> it looks like. I'd just go out and look for the moon myself *smile*.> I'd always thought that watching and/or listening to things like the> moon, sun, stars, clouds, storms, wind, etc., reminds one of God /> Allah's existence and presence in our lives!> > > Or just listening to the sounds of nature in general, like birds,> other animals, etc.> > > Perhapd that is why it is the Sunnah to go and site the moon, etc.,> and the Qur'an speaks so often about different aspects of nature, etc.> > > Just some thoughts.> > Ginny> > > > On 9/13/07, Habib Ghanim <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > Sister Ginny> > I agree this moon sighting issue has brought some to literally blows so as I> > said it was an educational exchange and i feel lucky to be at the epicenter> > (next to my house in maryland) where bro Khalid lives. He ( not me) also> > mentioned that sometimes people see clouds thin and claim it is the cresent> > moon so only God knows> > i usually fast extra days before and after ramadan so i guess in case they> > miss a day i am covered also. ok we are moving on> > cheers> > Hj Habib> >> >> >> > > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 07:27:48 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject:> > Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> To: [log in to unmask]> >> > Assalamu alaikum, Habib and ramadan mubarak, I just think moon> sighting is> > one of those topics among Muslims which can get heated. I> posted the> > position from Zaytuna Institute regarding this, and they> worded it a lot> > more eloquently than I ever could say, and perhaps I> should have just> > posted their position to begin with and left it at> that. These sorts of> > discussions can get heated very quickly,> especially when you don't have the> > face-to-face communication and all> you have is the written word, you don't> > see people's expressions, hear> their tone of voice, etc. At any rate,> > apologies accepted on my side> as well. As I told someone else who brought> > up this issue on another> list, I just told them to go with what made them> > the most comfortable,> and gave them the most certainty.> > Take care and> > Ramadan mubarak.> > Ginny> > > > On 9/13/07, Habib Ghanim> > <[log in to unmask]> wrote:> > haroun al Racheid> > thanks for your advise> > but fyi i mentioned that it was my neighbour the> > scientist as the source> > of information from the set go, so I am fully> > covered> > you can be> > assured that history has taught me that lesson several years ago,> >> > sometimes the message and the messenger are the easiest target> > but at any> > rate it is past and misquoting can be dangerous but since we are> > fasting> > i would rather say sukran again to you and pass on as i have> > forgotten> > already it ever happened . balal ma ahhah> > your brother habib> >> >> >> >>> > > > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:35:19 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]>> >> > Subject: Re: first ramadam to be on thursday> To:> >> > [log in to unmask]> > Brother Habib and cousin Ginny,> > I am> >> > pleased that the two of you have a meeting of the minds.> > One thing I> >> > learned from this brother Habib is that when we convey the > opinion of our>> > > fellow human, we must endeavour to cite them from the beginning of > our>> > > conveyance. This is a very serious problem and it has started >> > unnecessary> > conflict. Academia is all too aware of this problem and> > especially with the> > > advent of the compooter and intinet. That is why it> > is now part of most if> > > not all curricula to teach students the value of> > citing sources of >> > information. And it must be done the first time we> > convey the opinions or> > intellectual > property of our fellow man/woman.> > If we do not, at the first> > instance, we > become purveyors of our> > original thought. Any attempt in the> > future to correct > that deficit of> > regard is usually met with foreboding,> > suspicion, and more > often> > disdain. And it could be innocent oversight.> >> > Haroun Masoud. MQDT.> > Darbo. Ahlan Yaa Wuld Ammi. 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