Yes, your Excellency,
I am not your enemy.
I would not have flouted any agreements unless 10 years But would have been a much harder negotiator. It takes a lot of preparation to go to the negotiating table. I don't know if you are in Sweden or Denmark or where, but the Swedes go to negotiation backed by experts who have done their homework for months: They put a tough team together. Some other counties are less prepared at conferences etc, only getting there - sometimes- get there to read a speech and so on. When Lancaster House talks took place there was a lot of optimism in the air (not learned much from history) and a willingness to make those concessions - and perhaps you too would have, given such assurances.
Anyway, I'm more interested in what you have to say - the rhetoric- we have some of that in common, but it doesn't get us very far does it?
I get Google alerts for Gambia, Sierra Leone, and Zimbabwe among others:
http://zimbabweoutpostoftyranny.typepad.com/zimbabwe_outpost_of_tyran/2007/04/towards_a_negot_1.html
WE are all concerned about the plight of every single Zimbabwean - including all those who have lost their lives and those battered and bruised ones who still survive, hungry …..
http://vikingpundit.blogspot.com/2007/04/eternal-scapegoat-as-zimbabwe-spirals.html
“to lay blame for the whole crisis, squarely at Britain's door” is one way of looking at it. David Hasluck – if he is one of the bishops, can also blame it all on the devil as they usually do, as if they are not sometimes acting on behalf of the evil one.
http://www.acton.org/blog/index.html?/archives/1620-Evangelical-Silence-and-Zimbabwe.html
You saw how the Zimbabwean government showed its military might to intimidate those who wanted to go on strike to demand a minimum wage? Yes he can do that these days, mostly to his own, but never take off his gloves when it comes to Downing Street. He does enjoy repartee and they both speak same language.
I simply meant that Mugabe has – and has had the constitutional means of passing any kind of legislation to repossess his farms, so what’s been stopping him?
If Nigeria had found herself in the same situation as Zimbabwe, I think that Sani Abacha would have announced one April Fools Day that all toubab whose lives and farms were under his protection should report to the nearest police station to sign over their illegal possessions or face the dire consequences – and Idi Amin would give them the alternative of flying or swimming back home.
If the very kind and nice Mugabe should have been reluctant to do it, he could have allowed the army to take over, suspend the constitution and move rapidly – then it’s all over…. Maybe the British government would then compensate their brothers for their losses and that compensation money could be used to re-possess what is re-possessable, though I suspect that black is black I want my country/ land back means just that.
The above is a little extreme – and some say that extreme measures are demanded
I have a booklet in front of me: Nelson Mandela Speeches 1990 (a Pathfinder publication):
http://www.amazon.com/Nelson-Mandela-Speeches-1990-Intensify/dp/0873485955
Since the end of the 10 years moratorium, Mr. Mugabe has been anxious, understandably, to finish the work of land reform and re-POSSESSION.
Some of the White farmers have obtained land holdings in far away places like Nigeria:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/1527207.stm
So how does ending the sanctions restore some of the land (I know you are going to shout ALL of the LAND) to the people?
South Africa has a programme where by 30% of the land will be re-distributed over a number of years.
Your fear is that MDC= 10 Downing street – but I think that all black Zimbabweans would like to be masters and if the government could enter into negotiations once again, they could arrive at a solution. As things are now, its seems that they would like to wait as Zimbabwe gets down to her knees, economically almost beyond repair and to a time that Mugabe who is holding the government party together disappears……
In your opinion, what must be done? Is there any danger (apart from the mosquitoes etc) that we could in time become like the Indians of North America 9n little pockets off reservation culture?
It could still be called US of A…..
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> From: Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2007/04/22 sö PM 01:11:57 CEST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Ämne: Re: Fwd: Anglican Bishops Rap Sanctions
>
> About David Hasluck, I meant to write:
> He, a patriotic white Zimbabwean who is NOT callous to the plight of the
> poor Black
> Zimbabwean is in no doubt where to lay blame for the whole crisis, squarely
> at Britain's door.
>
> Kabir.
>
>
> On 4/22/07, Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > OK, so now it's no longer 27 years Mugabe had? I guess you can both add
> > and subtract? Does that not bring us back to the early nineties, barely ten
> > years after Zimbabwe became independent in 1980? Why would you then claim
> > that you would have solved the land question long before if you were
> > president of Zimbabwe?
> >
> > And how would you have done that, by flauting the agreement like Britain
> > did? And how would you have compensated the thieves? The same Britain that
> > pledged to bankroll the compensation process was the same one that reneged
> > on their pledge. What options were there left to those liberation war
> > veterans, trust in God?
> >
> > Or should the people of Zimbabwe migrate as you suggested earlier? To
> > where, the sea?
> >
> > Brutal invasion of "White farms"? Hmmmm, how much more brutal than the
> > forebears of these white farmers when the stole the land? It's all in the
> > records for all to consult any time. The war veterans' invasion of "white
> > farms" was a picnic compared to what their own ancestors went through,
> > unless of course Black African lives are of lesser value?
> >
> > David Hasluck, the former director of Zimbabwe's white Commercial Farmers
> > Union granted an interview<http://www.swans.com/library/art9/ankomah4.html>to Baffur Ankomah the same day he left office in December 2002. He, a
> > patriotic white Zimbabwean who is callous to the plight of the poor Black
> > Zimbabwean is in no doubt where to lay blame for the whole crisis, squarely
> > at Britain's door.
> >
> > Kabir.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 4/22/07, Cornelius Edward Hamelberg <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Correct.
> > >
> > > Every Amadu, Dick and Harry knows this, as do even my non-Zimbabwean
> > > relatives at Oxford.
> > >
> > > Not only the ten year moratorium, but wasn't there also some talk about
> > > COMPENSATION?
> > > It's during the 10 years period of grace that preparations are made.
> > > There are ways of measuring time, e.g. the Sabbath begins at a certain
> > > time (the candles are lit 18 minutes before sunset and the Sabbath ends at a
> > > certain time (when the stars come out to shine) and the people of Accra and
> > > London know GMT.
> > >
> > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=Lancaster+House+agreement+%3A+Compensation&btnG=Search&meta=
> > >
> > >
> > > The ten years were up a long time ago, but perhaps the kind and patient
> > > Mugabe (speaks good English and likes to discuss) hasn't taken the right
> > > kind of action up till today. Why? Perhaps like Saddam he is afraid of
> > > Toubaba and that's why he has not hanged a few and keeps on talking, saying
> > > things like" Blair keep your England, and let me keep my Zimbabwe"
> > >
> > > http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/robertmuga361688.html
> > >
> > > Mr. Blair is keeping his England sure enough and will be keeping it even
> > > after the next Prime Minister (Gordon Brown?) takes over Her Majesty's
> > > Government.
> > >
> > >
> > > http://search.yahoo.com/bin/search?p=MUgabe%20quotes
> > >
> > > And the seminar in Stockholm, with Dr. Adebayo Olukoshi and some of the
> > > Zimbabwe Embassy staff in Stockholm went through the history soon after the
> > > first savage attacks on the white farmers started. We dwelt on the Lancaster
> > > House Agreement for some time.
> > >
> > > At the actual time of the Lancaster House talks, some of those of who
> > > are VERY interested in this matter were on the spot 10th September 1979-10th
> > > December 1979
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.zwnews.com/Lancasterhouse.doc
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.zwnews.com/issuefull.cfm?ArticleID=6623
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure that no Uncle Tom bishop supports the bashing that Mugabe says
> > > Morgan Tsvangirai deserved.
> > >
> > > About South Africa, just around that time, Shehu Shagari announced at
> > > the UN, that Nigeria would use oil as a weapon to fight Apartheid. I arrived
> > > in Nigeria soon thereafter and stayed for 42 months ? met a couple of ANC
> > > there?..
> > >
> > > United we stand, divided we fall.
> > >
> > > > From: Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Date: 2007/04/22 sö AM 02:59:22 CEST
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Ämne: Re: Fwd: Anglican Bishops Rap Sanctions
> > > >
> > > > And anybody who cared to do their home work before speaking onthis
> > > > issue would know that there was a clause in the Lancaster House
> > > Agreements
> > > > that did not allow the Zimbabwe government to embark on Land
> > > Redistribution
> > > > until at least ten years had elapsed after the signing of the
> > > agreement. The
> > > > government of Zimbabwe commenced its moves towards Land Reform in the
> > > early
> > > > 1990s. They honoured what they appended their signatures to!
> > > >
> > > > Kabir.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/22/07, Cornelius Edward Hamelberg <[log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > As one of our brothers observed, "The pursuit of
> > > > > knowledge requires being exposed to various sources to enable one to
> > > > > make an informed choice." It's a good maxim to follow.
> > > > >
> > > > > The question now facing all is, when are sanctions legal and when
> > > can they
> > > > > be said to be illegal? As always ? and this includes the DEBATES
> > > that took
> > > > > place about sanctions on South Africa as to whether the sanctions
> > > would not
> > > > > have more of a crippling effect on the already impoverished black
> > > population
> > > > > than on the White power elite in South Africa.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=+sanctions+on+Zimbabwe
> > > > >
> > > > > The land in question is situated in Africa, in Zimbabwe, and
> > > Zimbabwe is a
> > > > > sovereign state ? has been for the past 27 years, during which time
> > > the
> > > > > problem could have been solved ? if I were president it would
> > > certainly have
> > > > > been solved. Absolutely.
> > > > >
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