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Thanks brother Sambou.

I will get back you, but if I forget, please remind me as I seem to have so
many things in my hands right now.

However, for the time being,  I wish to inform all peace-loving Citizens of
Africa to note that RADIO RHINO AFRICA INTERNATION which was launched today
by the President of Uganda's oldest political party, and twice
democratically elected president of Uganda, now living in exile was founded
first and foremost to fight the the Museveni Dictatorship and his brutal
methods of ethnic cleansing of our people (which he also with the help of
the donor countries who tell lies to their own citizens), it is also meant
to serve the entire citezens of our motherland, Africa.

This radio station is meant to be the VOICE OF THE VOICELESS BOTH IN UGANDA
AND THE ENTIRE AFRICA.  Anybody living in a country where press freedom is
almost impossible should not fear to turn to Radio Rhino.

Please advertise this as much as you can so that our Citizens throughout can
together wipe out these stooges from our Continent.

lASTLY, Uganda has a very special case -in the sence that in Museveni's
tribe, they marry only within families.  It therefore happens to be that the
government, the military and the entire forces are governed by M7 and his
cousins and in-laws.  Others who in the system, have been and are being used
to allow Museveni build up their own family empire - each with a life span
of roughly 10-15 years more to live after your appointment - What M7 does to
them is a secret to be told soon -  Only one thing we know, that by the time
they are sacked, many of them are having a few years to live.

All peace-loving Africans in the diaspora should make sure that we ALL do
what we can  from whereever we may be to put pressure on these dictators -
thereby encouraging all of pressure internally - and God willing, one by one
, all these blood-thirsty so-called presidents will begin to go one by one.

It seems I have now said more than three quarters of what I wanted to say -
but I may still find time to get back to this .

Forgive any grammar and spelling mistakes.

NB:  If you didn't have the chance to listen to today's Radio Rhino
Inaugural Speech, I have downloaded the speech and is over 5 Mb but  I have
not attached it here due to its size.

Best regards to you all peace-loving brothers and sisters.


Nyar'Onyango

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: ***Coup Leaders Let a Civilian Become Interim President


> Yes, I agree with your assessment about Museveni, and there are many
> examples that we can site.  However, we cannot let corrupt leaders hide
> behind the fact that the Military is bad for Africa when they are equally
as
> bad.  With the AU, UN and other bodies putting pressure on the military in
> Africa, coupled with citizens putting pressure on these coup leaders, none
> can hold the people hostage.  As I write, the majority of the tyrants in
> Africa are not from the Military.  The problem in Africa is the
relationship
> between the governing and the governed, where the latter does not know the
> role of the former and the former using that ignorance to abuse their
> mandate.  So, both the system and the regimes need a change in nearly most
> countries in Africa.  Our situation in Gambia is this, are we going to
live
> under a president to no end that is corrupt and has committed crimes
against
> humanity and may be willing to die than hand over power under any
> circumstances?  If we ruled out the military joining the people to force
> meaningful change, then what are our options?  I suppose we hope that he
> dies a natural death or be sick.  In country after country in Africa, the
> people are held hostage by crooks for leaders.  They loose elections but
> refuse to hand over power, civilian or military.  This time we see a
unique
> opportunity in Bissau, and while as you rightly cautioned that it is too
> premature to judge it a success, but they made remarkable progress.  None
> was killed and the citizens of the country from many walks of life are
> working together for a brighter future for Bissau.  Some of the so called
> democracies in Africa as I write do not have anything thing remotely close
> like the consensus forging in Bissau.  They are consulting outsiders in
the
> process and are being counseled by outsiders too.  Folks, Bissau is on
track
> and we need to encourage the effort they embark upon.   Dictators do not
> like this new arrangement and I am happy they are nervous.
>
> Going back to the situation in Uganda, Museveni has the support of the
Army,
> thus he could do all these things, changing this and that law to suite his
> longevity.  The people have to stand up, get organized and somehow pry the
> Army from Museveni.  We in the Gambia are in a similar situation, for Yaya
> is constantly manipulating the constitution to allow him to be president
for
> life and he is relying on the Army to defend him.  This is why we decided
to
> form a coalition to vote him out.  However, that never get dictators to
> leave.  It is at that time that the people are going to demand that he
> vacate by force and we can get the backing and understanding of the
> international community.  If we can convince the Army to abandoned him,
then
> our task is much easier.  However, if the Military decides to stick with
> him, then I look to the peace loving proponents on this list to give us a
> real solution - that does not require the use of force.  However,
suffering
> peacefully is not one of those options.  Yaya has been murdering Gambians
> and we did zilch about them.  Emptied our coffers and we did zilch.  Why,
> because we have this wish that things are going to be better without
> fighting for it.  At this rate, he could easily be president for life and
> Gambians starving to death in "peace" , in the hope that God put him to
> sleep.  That is the situation that you and I are in.  Folks, the only
thing
> that is constant in life is change and we need to embrace change,
especially
> change that looks promising.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe Sambou
>
>
> >From: uga749d <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: ***Coup Leaders Let a Civilian Become Interim President
> >Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:56:24 +0200
> >
> >We from Uganda salute him and hope others will be able to copy him.   Yet
> >again, NEVER trust a military man.  He could easily use this as a trick
> >whereby he could also remove the next civilian leader rule for a short
> >time,
> >and they (the military) make yet another coup only to say civilians have
> >now
> >failed, so the military should take over for the "best of the country and
> >of
> >the people".
> >
> >It is too early to conclude anything.  Who ever knew Museveni would have
> >spent even two weeks in power?  - Twenty years are almost over with
excuses
> >after excuses - right now he has forged yet another "three years" after
the
> >coming elections 2006 (which will mean 2009).
> >
> >What does this tell us?  That the 2006 election is already won before it
is
> >done!  Because, if he wants three more years after the 2006 elections, it
> >means he is 100% the winner of that election - add three more years to
that
> >and God knows when his quickly army-trained and quickly promoted son will
> >take over!!!
> >
> >Best regards
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:14 PM
> >Subject: Coup Leaders Let a Civilian Become Interim President
> >
> >
> > > Folks, below is what I call citizens carving out their destiny.  None
> >will
> > > hold a country hostage to eternity and the people are not going to
wait
> > > until a dictator dies naturally or becomes senile, only to be replaced
> >by
> > > another dictator.  No, the people are going to effect change and put
in
> > > controls that would send any feature crooked leader to the cage.  This
> >is
> > > bad news for dictators, for they cannot anymore hide with their loot
and
> > > crimes abroad and they cannot stay in power till their death or
> >sickness.
> > > Please read on.
> > >
> > >
> > > Coup Leaders Let a Civilian Become Interim President
> > >
> > > UN Integrated Regional Information Networks
> > >
> > > September 22, 2003
> > > Posted to the web September 22, 2003
> > >
> > > Bissau
> > >
> > > The military officers who seized power in Guinea-Bissau a week ago,
have
> > > agreed in principle to let a civilian take over as president of an
> >interim
> > > government for up to two years while fresh elections are organized.
> > >
> > > General Verissimo Correia Seabra, who declared himself acting head of
> >state,
> > > told visiting Senegalese interior minister Macky Sall on Sunday that
he
> >was
> > > willing to step aside to let a civilian become interim president.
> > >
> > >
> > > He also gave the same pledge to Mozambican parliamentary affairs
> >minister
> > > Francisco Caetano Madeira, who arriived as an envoy of the African
> >Union.
> > >
> > > But military leaders remained locked in discussions with the leaders
of
> >17
> > > political parties on Monday over what form the new government of this
> >small
> > > West African country should take and who should become president and
> >prime
> > > minister.
> > >
> > > Sources at the meeting said there was a general consensus that
Henrique
> > > Pereira Rosa, a respected local businessman with no political
> >afiliation,
> > > should become interim president.
> > >
> > > However, opinions were divided over whether Artur Sanha, secretary
> >general
> > > of the Social Renovation Party (PRS) of deposed president Kumba Yala
> >should
> > > become prime minister, they added.
> > >
> > > The sources said Sanha was the clear favourite for the job, but some
> > > participants objected that he was not politically independent. Others
> > > meanwhile expressed concern over charges that Sanha had killed
Florinda
> > > Baptista, a woman with whom he reportedly had a relationship, while he
> >was
> > > interior minister in 2001. Sanha was sacked by Kumba Yala soon after
her
> > > death, but court proceedings against him were dropped for lack of
> >evidence.
> > >
> > > Correia Seabra, the chief of staff of the armed forces, ousted Kumba
> >Yala
> >in
> > > a bloodless coup on 14 September to prevent this former colony of 1.3
> > > million people sliding into political and administrative chaos.
> > >
> > > Kumba Yala was elected with a strong majority in early 2000, but soon
> > > alienated most of his former supporters. He dissolved parliament in
> >November
> > > last year after it passed a vote of no confidence in him and then
> >delayed
> > > four times the holding of fresh legislative elections. Kumba Yala also
> > > engaged in endless cabinet reshuffles and his bankrupt government owed
> > > soldiers, civil servants, teachers and hospital workers several months
> >of
> > > pay arrears.
> > >
> > > An ad-hoc commission of political leaders and military officers
chaired
> >by
> > > Jose Camnate Na Bissign, the Roman Catholic bishop of Bissau, proposed
> >on
> > > Friday that fresh parliamentary elections should be held in six months
> >time
> > > and presidential elections a year later.
> > >
> > > It also recommended that the interim government be held accountable to
a
> > > Transitional National Council, a broad-based council of civilian and
> > > military representatives which would act as a nominated legislature
and
> > > consultative body until the holding of parliamentary elections.
> > >
> > > Sall told the Senegalese news agency APS after meeting Correia Seabra
on
> > > Sunday that he had passed on a suggestion from Senegalese President
> > > Abdoulaye Wade that the Guinea-Bissau army should establish a military
> > > watchdog committee to ensure that the transition process was properly
> > > implimented.
> > >
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