Jobe, you are spot on in your observation that there are some of us that
hate Yaya so much that we will do whatever is necessary to eliminate him.
Yaya forfeited his right to live/lead when he ordered the murder of our
children on April 10 and 11, 2000. To say that I hate the vermin, is an
understatement. I despise him with a passion.

Moving on, it seems that you were pretty miffed by Prof. Assan's decision
not to quit and leave G_L. Your calculations backfired. Assan has the
commonsense to realize that evil will jubilate if he quits. I am glad you
prove the point I was trying to make to Assan. Now that he has not quit, you
are upset. Had he gone ahead and left the List, no one will hear the unkind
words you were sending our end in this your post. So, I say: thank you Prof.
for getting under Jobe's skin. Thanks Prof. for not letting the forces of
evil celebrate. Instead, they have joined us in our hateful language.

Jobe, I still cannot figure out why you think we are dictatorial and we do
not want to hear divergent views. I assured you that even if you do not
answer my mails directly, I will follow you all over G_L and debunk your
lies and unmask your gullibility. I have kept my word. Before I debunk your
lies, I have to read/hear them. We read you all right. What you want us to
do and what we will NEVER DO, is accept your garbage as the gospel. We are
open to hear divergent views. But if these views are lies, be rest assured
that we will say so. Unlike you, we would not just stop at saying that the
views are lies, we will show the whole world the magnitude of the lies.

You seemed to take exception to the statements I made earlier on regarding
APRC stealing projects from PPP. I would have thought that if you wanted to
show that I was lying, you will tell us of projects Yaya authored. You just
listed  some recent projects and called me names, blamed Senegal for failure
of our re-export trade, praise the APRC and  insinuate that these projects
were Yaya's ideas. I realized that you did not have the guts to say for
certain that these were Yaya's ideas. You know that it would be a blatant
lie if you say so.

Why did you not challenge what I said, when I said it? Why did you not
challenge it with facts and issues me and Hamjatta are not bringing to G_L?
Was I lying when I said that the first AFPRC budget was a replica of the PPP
budget Bakary Darbo prepared before Yaya and his cohorts stole power from a
democratically elected government? This was one of my statements you took
exception to. Have the integrity and the guts to come and debunk it
directly. Do not hide behind other postings and hope that I will not
read/hear you.

When I said that AFPRC/APRC stole 'Vision 2020' and the 'Singapore of West
Africa' concept from PPP, was I lying? The way you debunk this, is to tell
us that these ideas are the brainchild of Yaya. Tell us whether Larry Ceesay
or Bala Jahumpa invented these projects. Tell us that Famara Jatta authored
these project proposals from scratch. You say we do not discuss issues apart
from expressing hatred for Yaya. Tell us what civil servant or politician in
The Gambia detected that Famara Jatta plagiarized a UNDP report in his last
budget and promised donors some reforms he knows his government is NOT going
to honor. Tell us who unmasked Hilo as a nickle and dime outfit in Georgia.
Tell us who unearthed more facts about the callous massacre of our children
... G_L or the bogus commission of inquiry looking into the massacre of our
children. Left to that toothless commission, the government security forces
never shot a life ammunition.

Jobe, you can try all you want, but you cannot belittle this forum. Your
presence here and the extent to which you try (desperately) to peddle the
APRC side of the story, is a testament to how YOU regard this forum as an
important medium. Like I told your compatriot, Jarjue, no one is holding a
gun to your heads forcing you to come to G_L and read our myopic and bigoted
statements. The fact that you spend time to read and analyze our garbage
shows that you are lying when you attempt to belittle this place and say
that we do not discuss here important issues. Why can't you be honest with
yourselves and engage people on the issues instead of character
assassination of ordinary citizens that oppose child murderers? Be my guest
and let us discuss your projects. Tell us Yaya's input and his
qualifications. Tell us why you think a child murderer deserves the biggest
honor in the country:  the privilege to lead us and represent our country in
forums such as the UN.

Moving to the campaign in Britain, if I were you, I would not do like Sedat
Jobe and start jubilating. The battle has just started. Britain will soon
see sense and realize that it is only an 'Unethical Foreign Policy' that
would permit a country like Britain to give military aid to child murderers.
You missed the point when you just focused on the restoration of training
programs. If you followed our campaign, you will realize that we were
operating on the premise that the restoration of military cooperation will
not be limited to taking recruits to Sandhurst. Top British military
officials had gone to Gambia and promised Yaya that the restoration of
training to Sandhurst was just the beginning. So, we are not just fighting
the training. We want all sorts of military cooperation to cease. And we
will succeed in our endeavor. The truth will always prevail.

Even if we were just concentrating on the training alone, it is also
justifiable for one to call for the cessation of cooperation in that avenue
as well. The case has been argued on G_L months ago. But I will just restate
for your consumption why we think Britain should not reward Yaya by taking
people to Sandhurts. Do you know the last Gambians to attend Sandhurst
training before Britain cut their military aid to Gambia? Find out who those
people are and tell us how the professionalism they got from Sandhurst
helped them to help our children on April 10 and 11, 2000. This military aid
is not about helping Gambian soldiers to be more professional in order to
help Gambians. We are smart enough to figure out a long time ago that all
Britain is interested in, is to avoid British soldiers going to theatres
like Sierra Leone. Their rationale is to train the Africans so that they can
die for each other. 'Let us reserve our British soldiers to go keep peace in
Kosovo'. That is all. Normally, I would not have a problem with such
policies. Britain is merely looking after its legitimate interest;
protecting its citizens. But the reason I have a problem with this
restoration of military aid, is because Britain is trading the lives of
their professional soldiers (that voluntarily took the risk to become
soldiers) with the lives of our innocent and defenseless children. We all
know that Babucarr Jatta and Peter Singhateh put Yaya's life above those of
our children. No amount of training from Sandhurst will make Jatta or
Singhateh protect our children at Yaya's expense. To conclude on this topic,
let me just say that both you and Sedat Jobe evince a lack of understanding
of the Sandhurst program and the crux of our protest if you regard this
restoration of cooperation as a major coup. We know that the training our
soldiers undergo there is a very basic training. Our protest is more
principled than substantive. Child murderers should not be rewarded in any
shape or form. That is where we are coming from.

Engage us on these issues instead of picking personal fights with people
that do not even know that you exist. If I did not know better, I would say
that Yaya must be pretty upset with you guys for not putting forth his case
effectively. But we all know that the moron cannot put forth his case by
himself either. He does not have the wherewithal to tell whether you are
making a dismal case or not. That is the whole case against Yaya and why you
were upset about my characterization of your projects. The moron does not
have the wherewithal to oversee inept civil servants, let alone bring novel
and good ideas to the table. No Yaya crony can tell us why a low-life,
confessed child murderer, High  School drop-out deserves to lead us.
KB


>From: Kebba Jobe <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: The Skinny on Jammeh's 'Cosa Nostras' and our 'Cadaveri
>       Eccellenti'
>Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 16:56:15 -0000
>
>It is so pathetic that seemingly educated people, who have a lot to offer
>the country, are so blinded by the hate of an individual that, no matter
>what it takes, they will see to it that that person is eliminated. Worst
>still, some of these myopic bigots, rather than engaging in any useful
>exchange of ideas would instead be only eager to regurgitate what others
>have already said. Wasn't only a few weeks ago that this pathetic Prof
>Assan
>was screaming his heart out to be de-listed? On that occasion the entire
>archipelago of bigots suddenly became alive, pleading for him not to leave.
>welcome back prof. I can see your shrink has done a good job. Thanks
>Hamjatta for the online shrink service you advised him to contact.
>
>Talking of issues, what issues have you people raised here recently? Some
>of
>you pretend to want the restoration of democrary, good governance, human
>rights, rule of law etc, etc, and yet are unwilling to hear any divergent
>views about them. You peddle extremist views, all in the name of good
>governance and democracy, expecting people to just stay mute about them.
>The
>only issue some of you want to share with us is your deep hatred of Jammeh
>and to that end, you will peddle all sorts of lies. It is rather
>unfortunate
>that the persistent lies Ebrima Ceesay used to post on the L supposedly
>from
>"his sources in the Gambia" seem to be rather short, of late. As for that
>silly man, Dampha any project that he cannot call idotic as Hamjatta would
>rather call them, he would say were stolen ideas from the former PPP
>regime.
>Whatever possessed some of you?
>
>Recent inputs in the fisheries, agriculture, communication, education and
>health sectors are just to be dismissed out of hand as either idiotic or
>stolen ideas and as such, are worth nothing. How can one be so narrow
>minded? The current expansion and improvements at the airport, the recent
>commencement of direct flights to the US and the recent commencement of the
>less than container cargo service by maersk Gambia limited to Monrovia and
>Freetown are not isues worth discussing. Then, what are the issues? If some
>of you had any clue of the the impact of these developments on the ordinary
>people of this country or its economy, you will not be peddling some of the
>lies on the L. You all know full well the stranglehold neighbouring Senegal
>had on our re-export trade. This is becoming less and less now since the
>government started creating other alternatives. If any of you can convince
>me that these are mad ideas, then I will also start campaigning for the
>removal of the "moron/vermine".
>
>You campaigned without any success for the British government to cease its
>military assistance to The Gambia knowing full well that this assistance is
>mainly in the form of training. How can helping train our security forces
>to
>be more professional, thereby helping to prevent a repeat of the very
>tragic
>incident of April last year, be such a bad idea? What irritates me most is
>the constant yapping of support from poodles that seemingly agree to every
>garbage some of you post. This is nothing but just plain, plain bigotry.
>Period. With your fund raising, I wish you luck as time is not on your
>side.
>
>By the way, whatever happened to the UDP parrot, Lamin Waa Juwara? He seems
>to be rather quite these days.
>
>Have a good day and bye 4Now, KB Jobe.
>>
>>
>>----Original Message Follows----
>>From: Hamjatta Kanteh <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
>><[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: The Skinny on Jammeh's 'Cosa Nostras' and >our 'Cadaveri
>>        Eccellenti'
>>Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:39:26 EDT
>>
>>Apparently the List "management" has discontinued Prof Assan from >sending
>>in
>>messages to the List. Well, at least without Ayatollah  Momodou Camara
>>moderating Prof Assan's mails??? Wonders and signs indeed. I wonder >what
>>the
>>Ayatollahs are going to do about Mafy and Essa "Bokassa" Sey. Where is
>>Jaiteh, our "rules" obsessed "manager" to moderate the latitude Mafy >and
>>Essa
>>"Bokassa" Sey feel they have here to hurl abuse at us? Frankly, like >KB,
>>i
>>don't get this Brother [Jaiteh]. If Jaiteh's obsession with "rules" >were
>>shared with those who continue to keep his kith and kin under lock and
>> >key, i
>>bet you the Brother would be talking to Lalo Jaiteh anytime he feels
>> >like.
>>Yet, out of all the "managers", Jaiteh is most hell-bent on imposing
>> >these
>>risible "rules" - half-heartedly and biased in favour of those people
>>supporting the madness that keeps his kith and kin under lock and key. >I
>>have
>>noticed that most of "management" have objected to the tag "Ayatollah"
>> >and
>>stupefied why they deserve such a name - at least Camara has said so in
>>public. Well, i'll tell them why the tag befits the current wishy-washy
>>attempts to impose risible "rules" on adults in cyberspace - of all
>> >places.
>>See,  i once read an interview of an Iranian Ayatollah who was asked >why
>>a
>>moderate like Khatami has won over the hearts of the country's young
>> >populace
>>and why the young feel that most of the laws imposed upon them have
>> >little
>>or
>>no bearing on their young lives. In response, the Ayatollah replied >with
>>typical dogmatic hubris that none has to understand the laws and or
>> >reason
>>with them; what is important is their imposition - even if it left >much
>>to
>>be
>>desired for. Isn't that the situation on this List? Need i add more?
>>To our comrades - especially Brother Saul Khan - ignore these acute
>>inferiority complex laden ignormuses as Laye Bamba Jallow said in his
>>earlier. If they have anything substantial to say here about the >relevant
>>issues, we shall engage them. Mean time, please read Prof Assan's
>> >execellent
>>piece pasted below.
>>Hamjatta Kanteh
>>
>>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > The Skinny on Jammeh's 'Cosa Nostras' and our 'Cadaveri Eccellenti'
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > It wasn't love at first sight, make no mistake about that. People hated
> > Jammeh and still do. It all happens in an instant, but the scars and
> > psychological damage can last a lifetime. For the APRC/Cosa Nostra
> > disciples, thou shall scare no man but Yahya. Yahya is their lord and
> > saviour. Before Yahya came to power, these low-lives were scavenging
> > from the gutters just to barely put food on the table. Most of these
> > nomads became followers of Jammeh for reasons best known to them but
> > even dogs see the crumbs falling from their master's table. Yet who
> > would have thought that a former stateguard /watchman would become the
> > next president of the Gambia? No one but the most gullible and
> > parasitic opportunists among our midst. The saddest thing is that these
> > bitter nomads were ready to settle for anything. They didn't mind the
> > fact that jammeh is uneducated and incapable of leading amphibians more
> > so human beings. As a result , Gambians are now convulsed into  a state
> > of emergency and for as long as Jammeh remains president, people will
> > be assasinated, maimed, abducted, tortured, intimidated, vilified and
> > the list goes on.
> >
> > But what more do you expect from a moronic imbecile with no regards to
> > human rights. The moron is an animal for God shake. His record is full
> > of evil deeds that he is willing to sacrifice not one but all of his
> > own vermins just to try to save his soul.Jammeh is the worst thing that
> > ever happened to the Gambia. To say that he is a curse to our once
> > promising homeland is dauntingly an understatement. It should however
> > be noted that what makes this bigger than just Jammeh is that the Cosa
> > Nostra is made of devil worshippers who will do anything to mortgage
> > their rotten souls and acquiesce to the whims of this 21st dictator.
> > Those who refused to be hoodwinked and subjugated to Jammeh's
> > idiosyncrasies became the 'Cadaveri Eccellenti' (Excellent Cadavers).
> > These folks are made of the most anti-APRC Jammeh and his Cosa Nostras
> > have ever come to envision. These are the people making Jammeh miserable
> > and sleepless because he now senses defeat which is very evident as
> > showcased by his desperate attempts to form his alliance of ignoramuses
> > ( Kebba Jobe, Tomboy Saidy, Essa Bokassa Sey, and mouthpiece Jerreh
> > Jarju Jammeh commonly known as Mafy) to infiltrate and counter the
> > damaging truth comrades on the G_L voiced out for the entire world to
> > keep note. The good news is these Cosa Nostra lackeys are unfit to stand
>up
> > to the kind of sophistry professed by comrades in the
> > opposition.
> >
> > They are trying to sweep a shinking ship, whose captain has left for
> > the shores only to find out that he has no place to run to. Combining
> > an understanding of the doomed Dirimo and armed with list of atrocities
> > associated with the current despotic junta, Gambians are now forming
> > strategic forces to restore peace and democracy back to this once
> > smiling coast of West Africa. When all is said and done, all these APRC
> > Cosa Nostras will be tried and dumped in the slammer where they
> > rightfully belong while they watch their god ,Yahya Jammeh, he who don't
> > have a conscience, executed. He will be roasted and the books
> > will be cooked. Thus the final chapter of the 'Jammeh Mess'!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > ALUTTA CONTINUA.....
> >
> >
> > Assan(prof)
> >
> >
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