Mr. Sanneh,
I'd recommend 'Decolonising the Mind' by Brother Ngugi for you. I can't help
you otherwise. My political orientation and world outlook is not something
you can never understand if your only source of information is Western
garbage journalism. I hope you made use of the link you asked for and got to
'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa'? Only you can help yourself!
Kabir.
----- Original Message -----
From: "ABDOUKARIM SANNEH" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Zimbabwe: Outrage Intensifies Over Brown's Threat
> Kabir
> Your only engagement in this forum is forwarding your utopian left wing
> forward articles. Give me a break ,many of us are mature to be brain wash
> with outdated and backward ideas. Any time people engage such postings
> your blood pressure get high. This show how deficit you are.
>
> Kabir Njaay <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mr. Sanneh,
>
> I have never had any wish to engage you and never have because I know you
> lack the wherewithal to grapple with the simplest of issues.
>
> Kabir.
>
>
> On 9/25/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>>
>> Kabir
>> With your age and respect I did not want to continue with your nonsense.
>> This is an open forum to agree and disagree period.
>>
>> Kabir Njaay wrote:
>> Mr Sanneh,
>>
>> Who invited you to a debate? You jumped from nowhere with your incoherent
>> ramblings regurgitating as usual terms that you don't understand... Who
>> cares how long you have been here or elsewhere for that matter or what
>> you
>> have done since 1980?
>>
>> It was tribal opportunism and reaction that bungled Gambians' chance to
>> usher in a new era. So you can shout your mumbo jumbo from the top of
>> your
>> voice whenever you happen to stumble upon a computer or engage in other
>> forms of escapades. It will all amount to naught!
>>
>> Kabir.
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>> >
>> > Kabir
>> > You have a right to your own conscience. if you think I am
>> > regurgitating
>> > BBC or ITN news stuff about the state of matters in Zimbabawe take it.
>> You
>> > are wrong and I don't subscribe the political economic of the media for
>> > manafacturing my conscience about issues. For your clarafication I do
>> not
>> > also think that the internet is what will remove Yaya Jammeh. Getting
>> > on
>> to
>> > 10 years a go since I subscribe to this forum, its essence is to
>> > discuss
>> > Gambia and related matters. I think the situation in Zimbabawe is
>> > almosr
>> > related to Gambia and we have put two situation into perspective.Kabir
>> > I
>> > am active on Gambian issues before Yaya Jammeh in the late 1980 as a
>> student
>> > in the Gambia and will alway remain so. The essence of the forum is to
>> agree
>> > and disagree on matters, just like you similar the outrage in Zimbabawe
>> so
>> > is Gambia
>> >
>> > Kabir Njaay wrote:
>> > Mr. Sanneh,
>> >
>> > To me you seem to be confused about issues you are trying to deal with
>> and
>> > are doing nothing other than regurgitating BBC and ITN 'news' stuff.
>> What
>> > rambling on about has little connection with the contents of piece you
>> are
>> > responding to.
>> >
>> > Besides, if you think incoherent rambling on the Internet is what will
>> > remove Jammeh he will be there for a long time to come.
>> >
>> > Kabir.
>> >
>> > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Kabirr,
>> > > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
>> > they
>> > > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it? Is it
>> progressive
>> > > farmer who
>> > > > is MDC supporter or useless farmer who ZANUPF?To Focus your utopian
>> > Pan
>> > > African
>> > > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerouswhen your country is
>> > > facing a similar situation like Zimbabwe. It is economic policy is
>> > > neaoliberal which I hope youdo not
>> > > > subscribe to.Thanks alway do not proof read and will do on this
>> matter
>> > > for the interest of the debate. Have a good day!
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Kabir Njaay wrote: Mr Sanneh,
>> > >
>> > > Please proof read before you send. I don't have a clue what you are
>> > > talking
>> > > about.
>> > >
>> > > Kabir.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Kabirr,
>> > > > Do the policy of land reform help the average man in the street? If
>> > they
>> > > > take land from the white farms whom do they give it to progressive
>> > farm
>> > > who
>> > > > is MDC supporter useless farmer ZANUPF. Focing your utopian Pan
>> > African
>> > > > liberation on Zimbabwe for me is so outagerous. Why are you not
>> > > dialecting
>> > > > on your backyield.Gambia which you are born is having a similar
>> > > situation
>> > > > like Zimbbwe. It is economic policy is neaoliberal which I hope
>> youdo
>> > > not
>> > > > subscribe to.
>> > > >
>> > > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
>> > > > Mr Sanneh,
>> > > >
>> > > > I guess you are free to go and remove Mugabe at your convenience
>> since
>> > > you
>> > > > are so passionate about it!
>> > > >
>> > > > I don't know where you got your Black against White from but what
>> > > > progressive Africans have been saying all along it that the
>> > > > conflict
>> > is
>> > > > about the Land Reform. It is Britain and Tony Blair and now Gordon
>> > Brown
>> > > > that made it a Black against White issue when they mobilised their
>> > White
>> > > > Breathen all over the world to strangulate Zimbabwe.
>> > > >
>> > > > Kabir.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 9/24/07, ABDOUKARIM SANNEH wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Kabir
>> > > > > Thanks for the forward. The situation in Zimbabwe is also view by
>> > > > > so-called African liberationist as Black against white or western
>> > > > > imperlialism. Damn it, I do not subscribe that sensational views
>> any
>> > > > more.
>> > > > > Mugage should go period and so is Africa do away with all forms
>> > > > > of
>> > > > > dictatorship. It is a fact that western interest in Zimbabwe is
>> > narrow
>> > > > their
>> > > > > commitment other countries facing a similar problem like
>> > > > > Zimbabwe.
>> > > What
>> > > > is
>> > > > > that problem corrupt, human rights violation, state
>> criminalisation,
>> > > > lack of
>> > > > > rule of law and democracy, deapair and hopelessness. The problem
>> in
>> > > > Zimbabwe
>> > > > > is far from racism. With human suffering in the name of
>> > > > > liberation
>> > in
>> > > > that
>> > > > > country is the classical case of intellectual dishonest one
>> > > > > cannot
>> > > > imagine.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Kabir Njaay wrote:
>> > > > > Zimbabwe: Outrage Intensifies Over Brown's Threat
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Posted: Saturday, September 22, 2007
>> > > > >
>> > > > > By Bulawayo Bureau
>> > > > >
>> > > > > September 22, 2007
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The Herald
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 'Arm-twisting not way to solve Zim's challenges' CONDEMNATION of
>> > > British
>> > > > > Prime Minister Gordon Brown over his threat to boycott the
>> > Euro-Africa
>> > > > > Summit if President Mugabe attends intensified yesterday.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Amid growing international consensus that the conference must go
>> > ahead
>> > > > > even without Britain, the Pan-African Parliament said Mr Brown
>> > should
>> > > > desist
>> > > > > from behaving like an overlord.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > In remarks that received worldwide coverage yesterday, Dr
>> > > > > Gertrude
>> > > > > Mongella, the Tanzanian president of the Pan-African Parliament,
>> > said
>> > > > > "arm-twisting" was not the way to solve Zimbabwe's challenges.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Her comments reflect the determination of the African Union to go
>> > > ahead
>> > > > as
>> > > > > planned and invite President Mugabe to the Euro-Africa summit in
>> > > Lisbon,
>> > > > > Portugal, in December.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dr Mongella, attending a conference with Socialist Members of the
>> > > > European
>> > > > > Parliament in Brussels, has made it clear that African solidarity
>> > > might
>> > > > > undermine Mr Brown's "him-or-me" challenge to the summit.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "We do know there are some problems (in Zimbabwe), but if
>> > > > > somebody
>> > > wants
>> > > > > to arm-twist Zimbabwe, that's not the best way to solve the
>> > problems,"
>> > > > she
>> > > > > said.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "I think this is again another way of manipulating Africa.
>> Zimbabwe
>> > is
>> > > a
>> > > > > nation which got independence. I think in the developed countries
>> > > there
>> > > > are
>> > > > > so many countries doing things which not all of us subscribe to -
>> we
>> > > > have
>> > > > > seen the Iraq war, not everyone accepts what is being done in
>> Iraq."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Dr Mongella urged all African and European leaders to go to the
>> > summit
>> > > -
>> > > > > including Mr Brown - to join the talks to "meet, develop a very
>> > > > committed
>> > > > > dialogue to solve problems, rather than threatening each other by
>> > > going
>> > > > or
>> > > > > not going".
>> > > > >
>> > > > > She said dialogue must be pursued to resolve any disputes.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "I think if we want to move in the right direction, with the
>> African
>> > > way
>> > > > > of doing things, you discuss things under a tree till you agree.
>> So
>> > if
>> > > > > somebody does not come under a tree to discuss, that is not the
>> > > African
>> > > > way
>> > > > > of doing things."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mr Brown was also condemned by Zimbabwe's Ambassador to the
>> > > > > United
>> > > > > Nations, Mr Boniface Chidyausiku, who said the prime minister had
>> no
>> > > > right
>> > > > > to dictate who should be at the summit or not.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mr Chidyausiku said President Mugabe had a sovereign right, like
>> all
>> > > > other
>> > > > > African heads of state, to attend the Lisbon summit, adding that
>> > > bigger
>> > > > > issues affecting Africa should be prioritised.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mr Chidyausiku's remarks follow almost similar sentiments by
>> > > Portuguese
>> > > > EU
>> > > > > legislator Mr Paolo Casaca and the Southern African Development
>> > > > Community
>> > > > > chairman, President Levy Mwanawasa of Zambia, on Thursday.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > President Mwanawasa even countered Mr Brown with his own threat,
>> > > saying
>> > > > if
>> > > > > President Mugabe is barred from attending the summit, Zambia and
>> > > > probably
>> > > > > other African leaders would not go to Lisbon.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mr Louis Michel, the EU Commissioner for Aid and Development,
>> > > signalled
>> > > > Mr
>> > > > > Brown's growing isolation, saying that one person cannot scuttle
>> > > > > a
>> > key
>> > > > > summit between two continents.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "We think that a single individual case cannot take as hostage
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > relations between two continents," said Mr Michel.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > He added that the European Commission would want the summit to go
>> > > ahead
>> > > > > regardless of Mr Brown's threat.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Writing in a British newspaper, The Independent, on Thursday, Mr
>> > Brown
>> > > > > provoked sharp international criticism when he said he would
>> boycott
>> > > the
>> > > > > Portugal summit - the first since 2000 - if President Mugabe
>> > attends.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mr Brown, like his predecessor Mr Tony Blair, claimed that the
>> > > > Government
>> > > > > had presided over the prevailing economic challenges, ignoring
>> > > > > the
>> > > > impact of
>> > > > > illegal EU and American sanctions.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > He said the EU's five-year visa ban on President Mugabe must be
>> > > enforced
>> > > > > to ensure that he does not travel to Portugal.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > But Mr Michel said the ban does not apply to international
>> meetings.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > "I expect it is possible to have a compromise, but if there is no
>> > > > > compromise, what can you do? The only option I cannot accept is
>> > > > suppressing
>> > > > > the summit," he said.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Mr Brown, who assumed office in June, is said to base his foreign
>> > > policy
>> > > > > on a series of anti-Zimbabwe reports aired by several British
>> media
>> > > > outlets,
>> > > > > including the BBC and ITV News
>> > > > >
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