Dampha,
To be very frank you are  getting very confused and very childish now a
days. I just don't understand some of your logics here,simply they don't
make any sense or is it just that you are too eager for a come back ?I did
my best to understand you but it did not work You wrote:

Saiks Samateh comes here and tell blatant LIES about
> a student demonstration during the Jawara regime and pretend as if the
> Jawara regime was responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of our
children
> on April 10 and 11, 2000?

I will not go so low,your relationship to that corrupt and  criminal PPP
regime will sonn be clear.Go back to the achieves and read all that I wrote
about the April 10 incident,full stop!!!!It is simple knowledge that history
is history,you can repeat it and not rewrite,only life human beings create
history.
My opposition to the Jammeh regime has nothing to do with my past
relationship with the PPP regime,and trying to justify that regime because
we have a Jammeh to deal with is not my style of politics.Refute what I
wrote point by point this will do better for  your PPP propaganda.Listen to
your self

 I have always said that I will NOT tolerate
> LIES about any member of the Coalition including PPP. If that is your idea
> of me vindicating the PPP regime, so be it. I am at least glad that you
for
> one quit making those silly and unfounded accusations against the PPP
> regime.
>

Is this not an immature political thinking,I am just wondering what is your
agenda in opposing the Jammeh regime,and if you think that speaking about
the dirty and criminal politics of the PPP regime is what is  going to
convince the people to vote for Jammeh then you must be seriously
confused,what the Gambian people want will be a better Gambia,they have
alternative to choose between,any sincere person will convince them to
choose the best,we want to move forward.The lifting of the ban on political
parties is getting things more and more clear,we will soon know the hidden
agenda of each and every one of us.The political saying that the more the
struggle becomes protracted the more things become clear,is very,very
true.Gambian people need no one to tell them how brutal the PPP regime
was,it is their life experience,mr Dampha,this is a common sense,thirty
years is not thirty days or months.I have said fascist turned democrats will
not dictate the struggle of the Gambian people,there is a reason why we have
a Jammeh.There were many people who were happy when Jammeh came to power
because they wanted something better and never expected a return or a
renewal of another political nightmare,unfortunately this is what is the
reality but it does not mean that we want to move back to the brutal and
injustice politics.My friend ,37 years is enough,Gambians are hard working
human beings,they don't just deserve it,if you cannot simply understand
this,then mr Dampha it is not a question of whishing the same thing for the
Gambia and just continue your crusade.If your PPP/UDP wins this election
then we can meet again.
For Freedom
Saiks
For Freedom
Saiks

----- Original Message -----
From: Dampha Kebba <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Coalition/Dampha


> Ms. Joh, what campaign to vindicate PPP are you talking about? Where were
> you when I categorically said that I will NEVER support an Alliance headed
> by PPP? Get your facts right before you engage in these types of
> discussions> I reiterate, it is the LIES I would NOT stand. If someone
says something
> about the PPP that is true, they will NOT hear from me. But you start
going
> the path of spreading lies and innuendo, you will hear from me. What do
you
> expect me to do when people like Jassey-Conteh come here and tell blatant
> LIES about the PPP regarding school-building in the country, just because
he
> is upset his leader was NOT chosen by the Alliance? Darn right I will
point
> out that the University Yaya is boasting about is comprised of tertiary
> institutions built by the Jawara regime. Where were people like
> Jassey-Conteh when MDI, GTTI, Hotel School etc. were built? What do you
> expect people to do if Saiks Samateh comes here and tell blatant LIES
about
> a student demonstration during the Jawara regime and pretend as if the
> Jawara regime was responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of our
children
> on April 10 and 11, 2000? What do you expect if people come here and try
to
> portray Jawara as a murderer for inviting the Senegalese to come and
rescue
> our country from a bunch of bandits led by Kukoi Samba Sanyang and
> illiterates like Simon Talibo Sanneh? What do you expect if liars come on
> G_L and want to pretend that Jawara was more corrupt than Yaya whom we all
> know has amassed more wealth on the backs of our people within seven years
> than the entire PPP regime amassed in thirty years? Ms. Joh, these are the
> sorts of LIES that I will NOT tolerate. Call my defense of PPP anything
you
> wantSaiks Samateh comes here and tell blatant LIES about
> a student demonstration during the Jawara regime and pretend as if the
> Jawara regime was responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of our
children
> on April 10 and 11, 2000? What do you expect if people come here and try >
Yes, if you spread these LIES you also help the Dictatorship. You help them
> by influencing people to let Yaya remain in power because people do NOT
see
> a better alternative to Yaya. If the civic education and enlightenment you
> people are arrogantly calling for has NOT taught you that much, then I
> wonder what that enlightenment will offer our people. Most of you people
> that think Gambians need enlightenment do NOT even realize that some of
you
> lack the commonsense that most Gambians have. Saiks Samateh comes here and
tell blatant LIES about
> a student demonstration during the Jawara regime and pretend as if the
> Jawara regime was responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of our
children
> on April 10 and 11, 2000? What do you expect if people come here and try >
lost with one where 14 innocent lives were lost? A man calling the Jawara
> regime brutal forgetting where Pap Cheyassin Secka (a confessed coup
> plotter) ended up? Coup leaders in brutal regimes do NOT end up getting
> their lives back and practicing their professions. The Jawara regime had
> ample reason (apart from Secka's involvement in the 1981 coup) to destroy
> the man totally. Ask people in the know about Secka's financial dealings
> with his clients right before that coup. Instead of destroying the man, he
> was released from jail and allowed to practice law and given back all his
> properties he obtained before the abortive coup. The house where Secka
> currently resides now was built during the Jawara regime after he was
> released from jail.
>
> I will tell you and Saiks what happens in brutal regimes. Brutal regimes
> like the AFPRC/APRC frame innocent Gambians and accuse them of plotting a
> coup and slaughter them in cold-blood and bury them behind latrines. That
is
> what brutal regimes do. Saiks Samateh comes here and tell blatant LIES
about
> a student demonstration during the Jawara regime and pretend as if the
> Jawara regime was responsible for the cold-blooded slaughter of our
children
> on April 10 and 11, 2000? What do you expect if people come here and try .
What
> the State was responsible for, was the incarceration of people like Pap
> Cheyassin Secka and Simon Talibo Sanneh and Baabaa Jobe. Anybody that
knows
> Secka knows that he is the most vindictive person one can encounter. When
he
> had power as Attorney General, did you hear him taking revenge on PPP
people
> because he was maltreated during his incarceration? He NEVER took revenge
on
> any one because he knew that no one maltreated him.
>
> Like I said before, Alieu Sallah suffered the most maltreatment in 1981.
> Why? He had a PERSONAL problem with one of the Police Officers of the
Jawara
> regime. Was Sallah's maltreatment evidence of a State-sanctioned terrorism
> and torture? Remember, Sallah was also released from Prison and given back
> him life by the Jawara regime he intended to overthrow. These are the
> aspects of 1981 the selective amnesia of Jawara haters do NOT want to see.
> They call themselves enlightened and yet just bury their heads in the
> negative. Gambians have more commonsense than that and can enlighten most
of
> these arrogant mental midgets that think that they know our history better
> than most of us that lived it. If we had a contest about 'who suffered
most
> during the Jawara era' I will beat most people. BUT does it make sense to
> duel on that now?
>
> Real defenders of the rule of law did like Ousainou Darboe DURING the
Jawara
> regime. They did NOT keep their mouths shut until Jawara was down or
joined
> Jawara while he was in the driving seat and enjoyed with PPP. There is no
> honor in beating a man that is down. Jawara is thousands of miles away and
> will perhaps NEVER lead the country again. Yet you have political Parties
in
> the country whose SOLE agenda is to pick on the man, forgetting the mad
man
> (Yaya) that is unleashed on our people. Darboe consistently fought for the
> rule of law under both regimes. It is sickening to see people like you
come
> here without any evidence whatsoever and argue that PPP is going to
dominate
> Darboe and the UDP. Where is your proof for that proposition? Because PPP
> was eager to nominate Darboe? How ridiculous can you guys be? You argue
that
> time is of the essence; we need to move fast and then fault people doing
> just that. Now if PPP did NOT endorse Darboe and instead did like Dibba,
you
> will be the very first person calling them power-hungry and selfish. Why
did
> we not hear the same characterizations from you to Dibba?
>
> My 'tirades' will NOT make allegations against PPP disappear, but my
> 'tirades' will hit your conscience. You know LIES from TRUTH. I do NOT
want
> to make any of you or your postings disappear. However, I want you to be
> accountable for your actions. When you say something, be prepared to back
it
> up with solid argument. Otherwise, I will give you a hard time. I will
make
> you feel lousy.
>
> Regarding the Alliance: what else did you want from UDP and PPP? For them
to
> go and force PDOIS to attend a Meeting PDOIS did NOT want to attend? UDP
and
> PPP were INVITED to the Meeting in the same way PDOIS was invited. Darboe
> CANNOT baby-sit grown men like Halifa Sallah. All Darboe can do, is ensure
> that his Party went to the Meeting. PDOIS wants a formal invitation to a
> Meeting as opposed to a verbal invitation. That is their prerogative. But
> they CANNOT blame UDP and PPP for their decision to boycott the Meeting.
> PDOIS pulled the same fast one during the London Briefing. I am NOT moved
by
> these shenanigans. Who put stumbling blocks in whose path? To me what
> appears to be a stumbling block is PDOIS' insistence that they wanted a
> formal invitation when they already had NOTICE of the Meeting. To me a
> stumbling block is calls for a Meeting to be postponed for a THIRD time
> because of silly gimmicks as receipt of a formal invitation. UDP did NOT
put
> stumbling blocks in front of anyone.
>
> Well, I do NOT know who your next paragraph about special interest being
put
> in front of national interest is addressed to. UDP and PPP did NOT go into
> the Meeting insisting that it is their candidate or no one else. PPP did
the
> noble, patriotic and selfless thing by nominating the leader of another
> Party. You CANNOT beat that. Jawara haters now want to convince themselves
> that PPP did that because they want to manipulate Darboe (imagining a
> motive). Well, you can imagine all you want. I CANNOT stop that. But I am
> sure none of you (including Sheriff Dibba) can come up with tangible proof
> that the PPP is going to manipulate Darboe. Judging from history, the
exact
> opposite is what is most likely. Yesterday, I gave you the illustration of
> Sam Sillah and Dembo Bojang and the Bakau seat. UDP is a pragmatic Party
and
> NOT the front of any Party. When PPP was in the driving seat, Darboe was
> HELPING Sheriff Dibba FIGHT PPP. If Darboe does NOT point finger at Dibba,
> NCP should NOT be pointing fingers. I am yet to hear any coherent argument
> showing that Darboe is a stooge.
>
> I am categorically telling you that reports purportedly originating from
> Dibba about UDP distributing cola-nut to announce Darboe as a Coalition
> leader is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. That NEVER happened. It is absurd for the UDP
to
> do that when everyone knew that the Coalition has NOT met to choose a
> leader. Use your commonsense. And this garbage gets reported by our
> self-appointed 'enlighteners'. There is a big difference in saying that
> Darboe is a Coalition leader and giving people cola-nut and saying that
> 'Darboe is the UDP leader and we want to lobby you to select him as a
> Coalition leader'. All your efforts to render these meetings and lobbying
as
> clandestine will woefully fail. PDOIS and their supporters can try all
they
> want, but the truth remains that everything was above board. Days BEFORE
the
> date scheduled for the first Meeting of Thurdsday, August 9, 2001, I was
> thousands of miles away and I knew about the Meeting. Essa Sey (an APRC
> stalwart) was thousands of miles away and he knew about the Meeting. PDOIS
> knew about the Meeting. However, they did NOT want anyone else to know
about
> it, because they wanted people to believe that UDP and PPP were engaged in
a
> clandestine Meeting. That is why as soon as I broke the story on G_L,
Adama
> Bah (a PDOIS operative) jumped from nowhere and tried to shut me up. As
> everyone now realize, the horse-trading was an open secret in the country.
> There was no under-hand dealing.
>
> It is every Party's prerogative to contact another Party before the
Meeting
> to ask them to endorse their candidate at the Meeting. Your ignorance is
> truly mind-boggling for someone that thinks that others need to be
> enlightened. Why do you think there is something wrong in UDP contacting
PPP
> before the Meeting to ask PPP to endorse Ousainou Darboe if and when there
> is a Meeting? That PDOIS dropped the ball and did NOT partake in this
> horse-trading does NOT make the negotiations a bad thing. Did you know
that
> Sheriff Dibba whose supporters are now jumping up and down about Jawara
> actually spoke to PPP stalwarts in an attempt to get their endorsement?
UDP
> has every right NOT to contact PDOIS BEFORE the Meeting to ask for their
> endorsement if UDP feels that PDOIS will perhaps NOT give the endorsement.
> That is what went on. Stop imagining smoke-filled backrooms where people
are
> speaking in whispers. That NEVER happened. Thousands of Gambians genuinely
> interested in politics KNEW that as soon as Decree 89 was lifted, people
> were literally working round the clock to get the Alliance going. I have a
> phone bill to prove that. I was tempted many times to come to G_L and set
> the record straight when people were blaming our leaders 'for doing
nothing
> for days after Decree 89 was lifted'. You had numerous people saying that
> the leaders were not farsighted enough and should have anticipated the
> lifting of the ban. Many were criticizing PPP for NOT saying something in
> light of the lifting of the ban. What some of these people did NOT know
> then, was that delicate negotiations were already underway. To defend our
> leaders was what prompted me that day to write and say that an Alliance
was
> in the offing before I was rudely reprimanded by Adama Bah. Unknown to me
> then, Adama Bah and his Party wanted to put the Gambian people in the Dark
> instead of 'enlightening' them.
>
> If you want, you can still convince yourself that there was a conspiracy
to
> exclude PDOIS. However, the FACTS are NOT on your side. Another thing you
> are getting mixed up with is the purpose of the August 13 Meeting. That
> Meeting was for the selection of a leader for the Alliance so that the
> campaign can begin in earnest while we have a subcommittee dealing with
the
> modalities of a Coalition government. The Meeting was for the Parties to
> state that they agree in principle to the formation of a Coalition. The
> horse-trading about how the Coalition is going to be run, is ongoing. The
> proposals from the different Parties obviously CANNOT be settled at one
> Meeting. That is why the Alliance said at their press conference that they
> will set up a committee to deal with that. However, those negations should
> NOT stop people that agreed in principle to form a Coalition, to choose a
> leader and start campaigning in light of the time (and other) constraints
we
> face. I hope you understand what is going on here.
>
> On your next point, Yaya did NOT lift Decree 89 as a political strategy to
> disrupt the Opposition. Yaya lifted Decree 89 mainly because he was under
> pressure from the international community. Get your facts right. Yaya knew
> that if the Decree was still in place there was no way his 'election' will
> be recognized as free and fair by the international community. In case you
> do NOT know, this translates to sanctions from America and the
Commonwealth
> and the EU. Yaya did NOT lift the ban because he wanted PPP to disrupt the
> Opposition. In any case, even if that was his ploy, it only helped to show
> some people's true colors. Now we know the people that hate Jawara so much
> that they would rather have Yaya than Ousainou Darboe (a candidate that
PPP
> supports). That is the bottom-line here. What PDOIS and NCP are doing by
> refusing to join the Alliance, they are NOT doing it to Jawara. This is a
> knock on Darboe and the Gambian people that want an Alliance. The message
is
> loud and clear. You are telling Darboe that you will NOT support his
> candidacy because PPP is supporting him and will manipulate him. I only
hope
> people had the decency and integrity to engage Darboe directly on this
> rather than sending him stealth attacks.
>
> Again, I wished you were more explicit in your final paragraph. I might be
a
> lot of things but I am NOT a mind-reader. I do NOT know who is acting
> selfish here. Neither UDP nor PPP nominated a leader from their Party.
None
> if these Parties said that 'it was a leader they want, or they are bolting
> the Alliance'. So, where is the selfishness. About restoring corruption, I
> also do NOT know what you are talking about. Jawara is NOT running. OJ is
> NOT running. Ousainou Darboe who is running was NEVER a member of the PPP.
> On the contrary, he FOUGHT for people like Dibba and Pap Cheyassin Secka
> AGAINST PPP. The man has unveiled a program that is looking FORWARD. He
> NEVER said he wanted to return us to the PPP days. Where are you guys
> imagining all these things from? The Alliance is moving FORWARD. I am glad
> to report that rallies in Brikama, Serrekunda and Bakau attracted hundreds
> of thousands of Gambians. I am also glad to report that even if detractors
> are NOT impressed by this momentum, the moron that matters (Yaya), can see
> the writing on the wall. Yankuba Touray can see the writing on the wall.
> Sedat Jobe saw the writing on the wall and cut his losses and ran away.
Like
> I said yesterday, the vermin are busy counting their dollars in Swiss Bank
> Accounts. Yaya was ready to bolt after seeing the crowds in Brikama. I
tell
> the moron that he ain't seen nothing yet. Wait till we hit the provinces.
We
> are moving FORWARD. I wished the other Opposition Parties did the same
> rather than obsessing over a man that is NOT running in these elections.
> KB
>
>
>
> >From: Jabou Joh <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Coalition/Dampha
> >Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 09:03:34 EDT
> >
> >Dampha,
> >
> >You need to quit this campaign to vindicate the PPP regime, and no, my
> >saying
> >so is not synonimous with endorsing or lending credence to the
dictatorial
> >regime we currently have as some have said. That is a weapon unthinking
> >people use to disarm and shut people up because they are either not able
to
> >decipher the truth among all the  distractions, or the truth is simply
> >something they would rather not deal with, so they think personal attacks
> >will do the job.
> >
> >True to form, you have rambled on again, always interjecting your
> >protestations about any accusations against the PPP. I think you actually
> >believe that your tirades will make all allegations against the PPP
> >government just simply dissappear.
> >
> >Regarding the alliance, no, not every possibility was exhausted because I
> >still say that if the intentions to include everyone was genuine, and
there
> >was no scramble to use the occasion as a means to other ends,they would
> >have
> >pursued the effort to engage everyone rather than use the stumbling
blocks
> >as
> >excuses and jump the gun, and no amount of endless rambling will change
> >that
> >fact.
> >
> >The situation is critical, and there was a failure to exhaust all avenues
> >to
> >come up with the most effective weapon against this regime. Personal and
> >special interest got in the way.
> >
> >I am sure you read what Dibba said that UDP was already distributing kola
> >nuts and announcing that Darboe had beeen chosen the leader of the
> >opposition
> >even before the meeting. Why are there no digression on this ?
> >Also for your information, I was told by someone who I consider a member
of
> >the UDP that there was infact so-called balloons floated to people with
> >similar objectives before this first meeting, and that this did not
include
> >PDOIS because they percieved that they would not be responsive to it. You
> >draw your own conclusions about all of that, and I hope it is an
> >intelligent
> >one not swayed by bias.Was this voalition something that could be forged
in
> >one meeting?
> >
> >Dampha, Yaya Jammeh lifted decree 89 as a political strategy because he
> >knew
> >that the PPP was dying to come back into the limelight, and it worked
like
> >a
> >charm. He knew they would head for whatever avenue they could use to jump
> >back into the political spectrum and that avenue was the UDP who for all
> >intents and purposes looks like a willing participant.
> >
> >I will refrain from saying more simply because I still have hope that
> >common
> >sense and higher ideals will carry the day for the sake of our country
and
> >it's people, although it will take a lack of selfishness that I have not
> >seen
> >displayed by all the players here. Our future as a poeple who  can
> >determine
> >their desiny is what is at stake, and it is up to those sons and
daughters
> >of
> >our nation who have it's true interest at heart to focus on the things
that
> >are more important, and at this time, those things are not strategysing
to
> >steal the limelight, or to revive a legacy of corruption and special
> >interest. It entails simply doing the right thing without any excuses.
> >
> >Jabou Joh
> >
> >In a message dated 8/28/2001 10:18:12 AM Central Daylight Time,
> >[log in to unmask] writes:<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT:
> >#0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT:
> >5px"><BR
> > >
> ><BR>
> ><BR>
> >Ms. Joh, you cannot in one posting say that the issue about the Alliance
> >is<BR
> > >
> >â?~closedâ?T and turn around in the next posting and attack the
> >Alliance<BR>
> >(including PPP). Such attacks will be met with the venom it deserves.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >
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