I have been a passive list particpant for a couple of years and I feel
compelled to throw my two cents worth on this one.In all fairness to Katim
there is a MARKED difference between a "SALES PITCH" and "Discourse Oriented
Article". Lets face it - Would you not ask an annoying sales person to stop
calling or coming to your door.? After you've hung-up or slammed the door
several times !!Think about it.
Dagmar Christensen
>From: Momodou Mbye Jabang <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: The Gambia and related-issues mailing list
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Religious postings on Gambia-L
>Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 09:41:09 +0800
>
>Assalaamu alaikum Borom 'Kerr Katim'
>
>Alhamdulillah wasalaatou wasalaamou ala Rasulullah wa ala alihi wasahbih.
>
>Indeed, my thankfulness to you and respect to you as an elder and mentor is
>on public record. That said, like I told some folks in private, I am not
>surprised but very disappointed by your whimsical decision-making process
>with respect to the issue at hand. You wrote:
>
><the feeling I get is that many who wrote on the issue feel that my e-mail
>was rather crash, if not dictatorial>
>
>What an understatement! Every single email on the subject objected to your
>unilateral,  <crash> and <dictatorial> move except Matt Utbult ( who
>incidentally wanted to start an Islamic discussion after asking us to go to
>another site). Yes! More than 22 objections ( the last time I checked)
>against your single decision; including a list manager (who incidentally
>are not even consulted before deciding on an important issue such as
>gagging freedom of speech). This is the same Katim Touray who authored an
>open letter to President Jammeh reminding him about paying attention to
>democracy. It is the same Katim Touray who took list members through a
>democratic voting process to implement salient decisions in the interest of
>smoothly running the list. So you expect people to take you seriously as
>someone working towards cementing democracy. Hmmmm.
>
>And now you unilaterally decide to gag religious discourse on Gambia-L with
>a flimsy Kamal ata Turk like reason - divorcing the secular from the
>religious. It has failed even in Turkey where Hijaab is banned. You never
>clearly defined that all along, i.e. making Gambia-L a completely secular
>forum. Trying to abuse our intelligence by bannishing us from 'Kerr Katim'
>to religious forums elsewhere when you named the list 'The Gambia and
>related-issues mailing list'. What issue is more related to the lives of
>Gambians than Islaam?
>
>You wrote: < I will contact them on the matter, to get a categorical answer
>regarding what their policies are >.
>
>Wow! You might as well let them know that you already put the cart before
>the horse. And you expect us to trust you when you come back with a
>statement justifying your position. Yes, after St. Johns (with a library
>full of Islamic texts) have tolerated our archives (including the numerous
>Islamic postings) for more than half a year. Huh.
>
>Well Katim, you imagine waking up in good old Madison and opening your
>front door to discover 22 Gambia-Lers picketing your doorstep with all
>forms of placards with one message, not withstanding their differences.
>Yes, they are all chanting 'No to gagging of religious discourse'. Even the
>wise elder of the forum, Sidi Sanneh tried to pull you back into a
>democratic mode by reminding you that 'the ayes have it'; but the damage
>had been done already.
>
>My big brother Katim, thank you for citing my posting on du'aa as the kind
>you will not tolerate in 'Kerr Katim'. Yes, I thought I was on Gambia-L but
>now I know it I intruded into Katim's territory. Like I told you before, I
>got your message loud and clear and it was no surprise. I can live with
>that. But please don't parade yourself as a democrat, otherwise you going
>to make a laughing stalk of yourself as you just did. Never have I seen you
>take a decision here without mustering more than one loneley supporter.
>
>May Allah help you and all of us in our noble endeavours.
>
>Allahumma salli wasallim alaa Nabiyyina Muhammad. Wasalaam.
>Modou Mbye

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