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Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>
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Dinding Ikango Jaata. Suntou, if you click on the link provided where Mr.  
Rybicki's article came from, you will see what the EBOLA virus looks like. In  
that picture, the EBOLA virus is a complex protein or it uses complex proteins  
similar to its host's proteins as a decoy to infect and live in the host.  
Multiplying ad-infinitum. What I shared with you and what you had already shared 
 with my nephew Dibassey, is that given their mutational attributes (Like 
Jinns),  viruses vary as their hosts vary. Perhaps this is what created the 
confusion for  you to say that "Jinns are beings just like we are". Yes they can 
act like us,  mimick us, and look like us. You also shared that they can come in 
different  life-forms; animals. And inanimate objects. So can viruses. When 
they are in  inanimate objects, they lay dormant. Perfectly comfortable in 
their dead host.  But as soon as maggots, worms, insects, birds, or reptiles land 
on or utilize  the inanimate objects, there they go again to attach to the 
live predator. You  see how I mean don't you? So in effect, viruses are different 
as their  hosts are unique. You and I probably have some and we don't even 
know it. If  they are not causing us noticeable harm, we consider them benign or 
good. That  is why I am on a quest to find good viruses/Jinns.
 
Where's my nephew anyway? Haruna.
 
In a message dated 8/8/2008 10:12:55 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
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Haruna,  i am not as multi-facet as you are. i am sure about what jinns are 
in  attributes, i just need a bit of explaining as to what viruses are. any one 
 can do me a favour. the guy may be up to some thing. i hope you look after  
your new found nephew as i am look after you my nephew. no  laugh.

Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:    
Suntou,

Unawares, you just timidly acknowledged one similarity  between a virus and a 
Jinn, if with an Islamic perspective. You were at  pains to share with my 
"nephew" Dibassey that you dont and the Ulemaa dont  really know what Jinns 
consisted of. You share that only their  characteristics (polyform and 
mutational 
attributes, ability to respond to  sensation - perhaps endowed with a nervous 
system of sorts, etcetera).  That they can be snakes, frogs, wind, insects, 
etc. Similarly, Mr.  Rybicki, in the article below, submits that we have not 
yet 
determined  what constitutes a virus. One reason being that they do not leave 
 
fossilized traces. Another reason is because they mutate and mimick the  
host's characteristics in such a way that it is hard to separate their  
constituent 
elements from those of their hosts. You have shared implicitly  that several 
humans can have a Jinn or Jinns in common. And so can humans  a virus/viruses 
in common. That goes to contagion.

I think we are  embarked on classical research here that combines both 
spiritual and  mechanical/scientific research to solve a common quandry. At 
least 
for my  "nephew" Dibassey. In time I will share with you good folk some  
information about a virus called PRION. Don't let the names fool you. It  is 
just like 
giving your Jinns names, or hurricanes and tornadoes names  for want of other 
qualification. So having a name does not constitutive  form make.

Innahu huwa yubdi'U wayu-eed, wahuwal ghafoorul wadood. Thul  arsil majeed 
.............
Masoud. MQJGDT. Al Mu'Umin.

In a  message dated 8/7/2008 11:30:37 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
[log in to unmask] writes:

good efforts haruna. on my part i  believe that jinns are a being just like 
we are. are they a virus, unless  some one explains what consist of a virus, 
i 
cannot accept that  claim.


Haruna Darbo wrote:
Could the two be one and the same?  Enquiring minds want to know. Dibassey 
I'm trying to help you in your  lifetime of angst. We may discover something 
together with Suntou.  Avogadro's contemporaries thought he were silly too. 
Haruna. And he never  obtained an invite to the infamous gaseous conference 
in  
Nouackchott.


Ed Rybicki, a virologist at the University of Cape  Town in South Africa, 
answers: 
Tracing the origins of viruses is  difficult because they don't leave fossils 
and because of the tricks they  use to make copies of themselves within the 
cells they've invaded. Some  viruses even have the ability to stitch their 
own 
genes into those of  the cells they infect, which means studying their 
ancestry 
requires  untangling it from the history of their hosts and other organisms. 
What  makes the process even more complicated is that viruses don't just 
infect  humans; they can infect basically any organism—from 
_bacteria_  
(http://www.sciam.com/topic.cfm?id=bacteria) to horses; seaweed to people.  
Still, scientists have been able to piece together some viral histories,  
based on the fact that the genes of many viruses—such as those that  
cause 
herpes 
and mono—seem to share some properties with cells'  own genes. This 
could 
suggest that they started as big bits of cellular  DNA and then became 
independent—
or that these viruses came  along very early in _evolution_  
(http://www.sciam.com/topic.cfm?id=evolution) , and some of their DNA  stuck 
around in cells' 
genomes. The fact that some viruses that infect  humans share structural 
features with viruses that infect bacteria could  mean that all of these 
viruses have 
a common origin, dating back  several billion years. This highlights another 
problem with tracing virus  origins: most modern viruses seem to be a 
patchwork of bits that come from  different sources—a sort of "mix 
and 
match" approach 
to  building an organism. 

The fact that viruses like the deadly Ebola and  Marburg viruses, as well as 
the distantly related viruses that cause  measles and rabies, are only found 
in a limited number of species suggests  that those viruses are relatively 
new—
after all, those  organisms came along somewhat recently in evolutionary 
time. 
Many of  these "new" viruses likely originated in insects many million years 
ago  and at some point in evolution developed the ability to infect other  
species—probably as insects interacted with or fed from them.  

HIV, which is thought to have first emerged in humans in the 1930s, is  
another kind of virus, known as a retrovirus. These simple viruses are  akin 
to 
elements found in normal cells that have the ability to copy  and insert 
themselves throughout the genome. There are a number of viruses  that have a 
similar 
way of copying themselves—a process that  reverses the normal flow of 
information in cells, which is where the term  "retro" comes from—and 
their central 
machinery for replication  may be a bridge from the _original life-forms on 
this 
planet_  
(http://www.sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLEID_
CHAR=6A1A42E0-16E8-4F62-A20A-233B2E760B1)  to what we know as life 
today. In fact, we carry among our genes many  "fossilized" retrovirusesâ€â
€
left 
over from the infection of  distant ancestors—which can help us trace 
our 
evolution as a  species. 

Then there are the viruses whose genomes are so large that  scientists can't 
quite figure out what part of the cell they would have  come from. Take, for 
instance, the largest-ever virus so far discovered,  mimivirus: its genome is 
some 50 times larger than that of HIV and is  larger than that of some 
bacteria. 
Some of the largest known viruses  infect simple organisms such as amoebas 
and simple marine algae. This  indicates that they may have an ancient 
origin, 
possibly as parasitic  life-forms that then adapted to the "virus lifestyle." 
In fact, viruses  may be responsible for significant episodes of evolutionary 
change,  especially in more complex types of organisms. 

At the end of the day,  however, despite all of their common features and 
unique abilities to copy  and spread their genomes, the origins of most 
viruses 
may remain  forever obscure.



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