AMAN Brad.  I said that in shorter terms.  and  Also you are not to comvorm to the world but live as Christ .

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Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
Karen Carter '74



> Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before marriage? It
> is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to scripture
> no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be situations
> today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not all that
> many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a concern for
> ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also that of
> all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and they
> said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living righteous, I
> know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how does that
> differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the responsibility of
> wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such, and
> appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem to line
> up biblically  or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even the
> appearance of sin,  not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms 1 says
>
> Ps 1:1-2
> Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand
> in the way of sinners
> or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
> and on his law he meditates day and night.
>
> Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a gradual
> decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working against the
> law or God's Word.
>
> I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as such
> now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What would
> make  a couple stronger, living together because of life's circumstances
> or arranging other means until that day when no holds are preventing a
> couple of living as a married one.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> I agree with you.  It seems Christians today think the devil is bound to
> win
> in every situation.  I think if you do live together without falling in to
> sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for each other
> is
> not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly godly love
> which will last through the years.  It will also serve as a testament of
> your commitment to god's precepts.  I will pray that you be constant in
> this
> commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last as long
> as
> the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
>  > what is a vow between god and two people?  If we have vowed before God
> and
>  > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is living
>  > together a sin?  We are not intimate until then.  I understand about
>  > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you
> strong.
>  >
>  > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about
> it.  I
>  > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just because
> we're
>  > going to be living together the devel is going to win.  God is the only
> one
>  > in control.  Is this our ideal situation?  no.  I've been through too
> much
>  > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i... or
> yet
>  > we... will not break our vow before god.
>  >
>  > Jenifer Barr.
>  > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
>  > AIM: jenibear1998
>  > msn
>  > [log in to unmask]
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
>  > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>  > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
>  > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>  >
>  >
>  > > Hey Jen,
>  > >         First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> inflexible
>  > > pastor.  I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the
> cerimony
>  > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony.  I suppose that
> he
> is
>  > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue
> what
>  > > that
>  > > would be.  It seems to me that you are left with three
> options:  switch
>  > > pastors, move the wedding up,  or leave things as they are and trust
> God
>  > > for a miracle.  As a child of God, the one option that you don't
> have,
> is
>  > > to move in together.  If you begin your marriage by  compromising
> your
>  > > principles  on something that is truly small in the grand scheme of
>  > > things,
>  > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones.  Believe me, the one
> thing
>  > > that
>  > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely
> creative
>  > > in
>  > > the solution department.  We often miss it because we get so stuck in
>  > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones that we
> can
>  > > see and we shut the door on His creativity.  This is a test.  This is
> only
>  > > a test.  The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> solution
> and
>  > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
>  > > possible.  Good luck on your adventure.  He is faithful.  Your task
> is
> to
>  > > remain patient and at peace!  GRIN!
>  > > Kathy
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
>  > >>Hi all.  As most of you know, i am getting married in november.  I
> found
>  > >>out
>  > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of
> august.
>  > >>I
>  > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of our
> fiscal
>  > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job.  Problem is though, that my
>  > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in
> september
>  > >>or
>  > >>october we would just live together until the wedding.  We both don't
>  > >>really
>  > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice.  I don't know what to
> do.
>  > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.  Both my
> fiancee
>  > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex before
>  > >>marriage
>  > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before
> marriage
> a
>  > >>sin?  Is it wrong?  And what do i do if it is?  I know of other
> christian
>  > >>couples who have lived together before marriage.  I am just so
> scattered
>  > >>right now.  Please pray for clarity for me?  And above all, pray Gods
> will
>  > >>be done.
>  > >>I love you all.
>  > >>Jenifer Barr.
>  > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
>  > >>AIM: jenibear1998
>  > >>msn
>  > >>[log in to unmask]
>  > >