You guys up there sure have gotten the weather. We don't have the snow that
you do. But today and yesterday were cold, compared to our 64 on Friday.
It is hard to get out when the weather is disagreeable.
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
> Hi Vicki,
> I have not found another church yet. It has been so cold and miserable
> here, so I have not been looking yet.
> Blessings to all!
> Virgie At 10:32 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote:
>
> >Virgie,
> >
> >I really do think that is sad. Have you been able to find another
church?
> >
> >Vicki
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 6:50 PM
> >Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
> >
> >
> > > Hi Vicki and everyone,
> > > I went to a new church for a few months.
> > > When I went for the first time, I was welcomed warmly by the pastor.
> > > Maybe 2 or 3 people came and welcomed me also.
> > > It soon became very apparent that they really could care less if I
came to
> > > church there or not.
> > > One should feel welcome in God's house, and unfortunately, I did not.
> > > I wonder if they thought that blindness is contageous?
> > > Was it the fact that I did not look the way they thought I should
look?
> > > Whatever the reason, I am not attending this church any more.
> > > The sad thing is, the pastor have never called to ask why I am not
> >attending!
> > > Blessings to all!
> > > Virgie At 08:29 PM 3/1/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Kathy,
> > > >
> > > >Yes, church history is pretty grim during some eras. And, true
enough
> >about
> > > >the church gaining wealth while peritioners grew poorer and poorer.
Even
> > > >then, there were still those who had a deeply personal yet living
> > > >relationship with the Lord. But here's the difference in today's
world
> >that
> > > >I see. Our churches are often fostering spectators rather than
> >participants
> > > >by the entertainment that happens. And if you're not teens,
twenties, or
> > > >thirties, or thin, or good looking, or extremely talented, or
showy... Or
> > > >maybe it's what you are that isn't accepted. And the list goes on
and
> >on.
> > > >My point being that members of Christ's body are rejected because
they
> >don't
> > > >fit in to a particular mold. Many people are quite content to sit
back
> >and
> > > >listen to a good sermon or hear good music.. They've done their
Sunday
> > > >thing and they can go back to the world in which they live unchanged
and
> > > >lacking the ability, Christ in them, to change their world. I've an
idea
> > > >these things aren't the original design. But so often, this is what
we
> >see
> > > >happening.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Vicki
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 8:09 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Actually Vicki,
> > > > > even the spectatorship thing is pretty old. Do you realize that
if
> >you
> > > >had
> > > > > lived in the middle ages that you would have never been allowed to
> >take
> > > > > communion? You would have sat in the congregation and observed
while
> >the
> > > > > priests enjoyed communion, intinction style, behind a scrim.
Since
> >you
> > > > > probably couldn't read, the only understanding of the word that
you
> >would
> > > > > have had was from the morality plays that the church organized.
You
> > > > > wouldn't have been allowed to sing, because you wouldn't have been
> > > > > considered worthy and, besides, you probably wouldn't have known
> > > > > latin. You would have watched the church grow wealthier and
> >wealthier,
> > > > > accumulating property, art work and literature while you would
> > > > > have been lucky to scratch out a living with your one ox and
> >fourteen
> > > > > children. If you killed a deer for food from the king's forest,
you
> >would
> > > > > have been found guilty of stealing and you wouldn't expect the
church
> >to
> > > > > come to your defense because the holy people would have been too
> > > > > pre-occupied bellying up to his royal highness for certain favors.
I
> > > >could
> > > > > go on, but I think that you get my point. The most blessed and
most
> > > >cursed
> > > > > event in church history was to have Emperor Constantine adopt
> > > > > Christianity as the official religion of the Roman empire. She
had
> > > > > problems before that, but at that point, she jumped in bed with
the
> >devil
> > > > > herself and has been doing a lousy job of extracting herself ever
> > > > > since. Neveerthe less, she is still Christ's chosen bride.
> > > > > Kathy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 09:23 PM 2/28/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > >Kathy,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I agree that much of the behavior has existed from perhaps not
long
> >after
> > > > > >the church was born. However, this spectatorship, I can't help
> >thinking
> > > > > >that it came in as various para-church organizations started
picking
> >up
> > > >the
> > > > > >job of the church. I'm not saying they are bad. But maybe there
> >would
> > > >be
> > > > > >less need for them if the church was being the church, or called
out
> >ones
> > > >in
> > > > > >function. And thank God for the church. Unless I miss my
guess,
> >and I
> > > > > >could very well do that, I believe we'll see it rise up and
function
> >as
> > > >it
> > > > > >was meant to function one day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Promise not to smack me too hard Kathy. Smile.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Vicki
> > > > > >
> > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > >From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 3:20 PM
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well Vicki,
> > > > > > > Truthfully, to answer your question about when the church
stopped
> > > >being
> > > > > > > loving and accepting of others in their imperfections, I think
> >that
> > > >it's
> > > > > > > pretty obvious from the history recorded in the bible that it
> >began
> > > >pretty
> > > > > > > much at the beginning. That's why so much is written to
correct
> >such
> > > > > > > sinful behavior by James and Paul and Peter. Satan has been
> >working
> > > >from
> > > > > > > within since the get go. After all, if he can destroy the
church,
> >his
> > > > > > > problems will be solved, so he thinks!
> > > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 10:41 AM 2/27/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >Kathy,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >In so many places the church has turned to people showing up
on
> > > >Sunday
> > > > > >and
> > > > > > > >doing their thing as spectators. I'd like to know when we
quit
> > > >accepting
> > > > > > > >each other as brothers and sisters in the family of God with
our
> > > > > >limitations
> > > > > > > >and imperfections as well as our God-given gifts. I'm not
> > > >specifically
> > > > > > > >saying that of your church. Just that this kind of trend has
> >done no
> > > > > >favors
> > > > > > > >to the looks of Christ's bride.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Vicki
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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