sounds good brad.
Vinny
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From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: Something I discovered-forgiveness


> Yes God forgets, but he is not human *smile*. I agree forgetting is a sure
> sign of forgiving. If Phil, I'll pick on Phil here, If Phil offended me
> for some reason, I could indeed forgive him and ultimately forget what it
> was he did or said that offended me. That is somewhat different than
> remembering to a point of utilizing wisdom that comes from a situation. We
> can though obtain wisdom from situations in which  we ourselves have not
> been involved in but have only heard of. In your case, it would take me a
> great deal to forgive someone abusing my daughter, forgetting? I'm not
> sure I could do that. I will say, in my life, I've experienced a very
> difficult situation to forgive. I indeed seriously thought of and planned
> to get revenge. I stewed over it so much and lived the revenge out in my
> mind and  was thinking "Oh how great that would feel to do this thing". I
> then felt my revenge which was brewing in my mind beginning to  become
> more real and I feared in myself I was actually going to follow through
> with this plan. I prayed for  release and in fact knew, as hard as it was
> to even consider, I needed to forgive this person, in order to set myself
> free from it all. I will say that in one afternoon of praying, I indeed
> felt genuine forgiveness for this person where before I was planning to do
> them some real harm. I haven't forgotten the situation in which all this
> anger occurred, but the  emotional attachment is no longer there and it is
> like an empty memory.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> on 04:03 AM 7/24/2005, Angel said:
> God forgets.  Yes?  I think that door handle idea is a good one.  As my
> husband has Alzheimer's, if my son ever got a car I would tell him to
> remove
> the handles so my husband wouldn't want to leave on his own.  Thanks for
> the
> idea.  I would never have thought of it on my own.  Perhaps that was the
> same sort of situation in this case.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Something I discovered-forgiveness
>
>
>  > No forgiveness doesn't equate forgetting. For one I'm not sure that is
>  > even possible in of our selfs, well minus a traumatic experience, but
> not
>  > only that, we obtain wisdom and understanding from not forgetting. If
> we
>  > are sucked into a bad situation by say accepting a ride from a
> stranger,
>  > and things turn out not good, we learn to not do that in the future. I
> did
>  > such back in the 90's, albeit nothing bad happened, I did learn. .
> While
>  > at a blindness adjustment center in the Twin Cities, a friend and I
> went
>  > to the store, bought a bit more groceries than we anticipated, called a
>  > cab and waited, and waited and waited and waited. No cab. But this
>  > other  young gentleman saw us waiting and offered us a ride. Before I
>  > could say, "No, thanks anyway", my friend  opened up his yap and said
> "yea
>  > sure". My friend being older than I, and fairly knowledgeable in such
>  > things surprised me. Anyway  This young guy was clean cut and drove a
>  > fairly  newer car and prominently displayed a Bible on the dash and a
>  > swinging Jesus, I say swinging Jesus 'cause he was on a chain swinging
>  > from the rear view mirror.  almost too prominently displayed as if to
> say
>  > "you can trust me". Anyway, I jump in the back passenger side of the
> car,
>  > slam the door,  and my buddy and the guy are tossing  the rest of the
>  > goods in the trunk. I think to myself "Oh shoot, I want to check to see
> if
>  > we got every thing out of the cart" I go to get out, and there is no
> door
>  > handle, it had been removed. I doubt broken cause like I say, it was a
>  > nice neat clean and newer car. As I recall  the other rear door was
> also
>  > missing the handle. I had no way of letting my friend know in time
> before
>  > he jumped in so we could bale out before we became a six o'clock news
>  > statistic. Fortunately this man brought us to the apartment as
> promised,
>  > and perhaps he was a nice kind young man with a Bible on the dash and a
>  > swinging Jesus on the mirror, and just happened to have two back doors
>  > without handles, but I know I'll never take such offers again in a
> metro
>  > downtown area or anywhere for that matter. My friend can if he wants,
> but
>  > I ain't lol. So although there is nothing much to forgive, I will not
>  > forget, and have learned because of that unforgetness. Similar is the
>  > benefit from a situation requiring forgiveness.
>  >
>  > Brad
>  >
>  >
>  > Brad
>  >
>  >
>  > on 02:01 PM 7/23/2005, Rhonda said:
>  > That sure is an interesting thought!  I wonder though as huans can we
>  > truly
>  > forget, or is it rather that we don't make it a practice to daily or
>  > weekly
>  > list the offenses others have  commited against us?
>  > I've been married for almost 21 years now, and I know there many times
>  > that
>  > through word or action I have hurt the one I promised to love till
> death
>  > do
>  > us part, and he has hurt me.  And if I wanted too, I could remember
> some
>  > of
>  > the deepest hurts, there is a  memory of them, but the pain of them is
> not
>  > something that hinders my love for Ben, because I love him I have
> forgiven
>  > him, and as time goes by, I find it more dificult to recall speciffic
>  > worda
>  > and actions.  I was thinking of Angel here, and the rape of her
> daughter,
>  > a
>  > horriffic event, I am sure she will never forget,  so what do you all
>  > think?
>  > Does forgiveness mean total forgetfullness?
>  >
>  > Rhonda