Vinnie,

It is easier for them to live their own wills in life and yet still quote,
feel, they are God's kids. I try to live out the word in my life, and yet
I know I am much short of the mark and have much to learn.

Brad


on 01:02 PM 7/28/2005, Vinny Samarco said:
Hi Brad,
I am glad you brought this point up.  I have heard of too many ministries
who make God out to be this spineless lovy-dovey blob that will let
everyone
do anything, and require absolutely nothing from them.  This is truly a
perversion of the gospel.  I think most
Christians would be totally shocked if they would ever do a complete study
on all the if's and buts in the bible.  They would see that after Jesus
reveals himself to us, forgives our sins, etc. there are some requirements
that The Lord requires of all his people.  I'm not talking about
self-imposed works, I am talking about biblical requirements.
Vinny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 5:50 AM
Subject: Conditional forgiveness??


 > "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will
also
 > forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither
will
 > your Father forgive your trespasses."-- Matthew 6:14-15
 >
 > This Jesus taught his disciples, believers, not those who opposed his
 > message; purpose;  and existence. These words just after instructing
them
 > how to pray, and continued after these verses to instruct them on
conduct
 > and attitudes. Despite what we've come to know as "The Lord's Prayer"
 > stating "and forgive us our trespass as we forgive those who trespass
 > against us", Jesus felt that precept needing to be blatantly noted
after
 > the prayer. We indeed find freedom in forgiving others, but as
with  the
 > message of the Word, "it is not about us", it in this case is about
giving
 > grace to others, just as we've received grace unto ourselves. God knows
 > that we have enough trouble with that concept, that he holds our
 > forgiveness randsome. This indeed sounds conditional to me.
 >
 > Brad
 >