Rhonda1,

Hmm I was going to address you as Rhonda P but realized that wouldn't do 
either haha. Anyway the Proverbs regarding safety and protection seem to 
deal with wisdom, and not being outright foolish to buck God's 
word.  Those who snub him thinking they don't have to listen, he'll laugh 
at their calamity... I would not want to be in those shoes. But yes it is 
curious what exactly is he saying about being safe, no harm, shielded and 
etc. It is worth a longer closer look. I know many sort of flippantly say 
just  believe and you'll be safe  no harm comes to you. but I think the 
story may change when they find trouble, yet the word does say  to be 
faithful and upright and blameless. I guess we are all of that by being 
believers. But are we too flippant about our believe as well?  Do we tend 
to let our modern culture to shove god in the back seat? Do you think he 
is satisfied back there and would he give protection if we purposely 
shoved him back there. Perhaps we in deed would live a more safe and 
shielded life if we  did in fact treat the word and relationship with God 
as our founding spiritual fathers had. Not that I agree in their tactics 
or belief in any way, but if you look at the dedication, the willingness, 
the faithfulness and boldness of the fundamentalist Muslim's creating news 
today, that takes believe to a much larger level than we see many times in 
Christianity. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not talking at all about 
what they do, or danger they put themselves in and the like, I'm strictly 
talking about the head over heals belief structure that allows nothing to 
get in it's way and the reverent honor given to their  personage they call 
god. Perhaps there would indeed be a difference in what harm may be avoid 
compared to where, at least, I am in relationship with God. It is all very 
curious and worth looking more into it via other scripture. It is easy to 
just blow it off as a way to not get near the fact we are experiencing 
harm at times, and what reason that might be. but I'm the type that would 
just like to know, even if it hurts to know *smile*.

Brad



on 09:00 PM 5/2/2006, Rhonda Partain said:

What do you think "live in safety" means?  Is it  "safe from harm" or 
"safe,
from thinking you know all the answers and don't need God or any of his
wisdom, safe,  if it means safe from harm, that would bring up a lot of
questions...what exactly must our relationship be to ensure  we are "safe"
for many go through things that can be seen as harm, cancer, accidents, 
many
who love God and who fololow im and seek to do His will...interesting
thoughts!

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Rhonda,

Hmm. Maybe not, perfectly faithful no, but not faithful at all? I don't
think that is it either. I think Proverbs  seen below shows were we ought
to be. I wonder if we can faithfully believe in the promise given at the
end of the text constantly. It does however say that we will have no need
to "fear" and doesn't say we are absolved of trials, yet he does say
earlier that he'll keep us safe. See below... interesting... I never
really seen it that strongly before.
Proverbs 1:20-33
20 Wisdom calls aloud in the street,she raises her voice in the public
squares; 21 at the head of the noisy streets she cries out,in the gateways 

of the city she makes her speech:
22 "How long will you simple ones love your simple ways?How long will
mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge? 23 If you had
responded to my rebuke,I would have poured out my heart to you and made my 

thoughts known to you. 24 But since you rejected me when I called and no
one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, 25 since you ignored all my
advice and would not accept my rebuke, 26 I in turn will laugh at your
disaster;I will mock when calamity overtakes you-- 27 when calamity
overtakes you like a storm,when disaster sweeps over you like a
whirlwind,when distress and trouble overwhelm you.
28 "Then they will call to me but I will not answer;they will look for me
but will not find me. 29 Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to
fear the LORD, 30 since they would not accept my advice and spurned my
rebuke, 31 they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the
fruit of their schemes. 32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill
them,and the complacency of fools will destroy them; 33 but whoever
listens to me will live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm."