Phil,
I didn't mean to offend anybody, however, if what you say is true, then
Paul said something very different to you off list than he did me and
others that he sent private emails too.  I'll just drop it at that.  If you
want to discuss it further, i'll let you decide whether or not it should be
private between you and me or public, on list, since it concerns the entire
list.  Sorry, I can see both ways being appropriate, so I'll let you make
the next move, if any move should be taken at all.  I defer to your
leadership and wisdom here, and, of course, a great deal of prayer, which i
know is always present.
Kathy


At 12:16 PM 2/18/2005, you wrote:
>Kathy,
>
>If Paul honestly lift the list because of what you said, he was obviously
>totally unaware of all the help many of us were giving Chris off list
>including by spending hours with him on the telephone encouraging him many
>ways to get help.  As you read, Rhonda and I and others spoke directly to
>Chris about his desire to have children and told him exactly what we
>thought.  Like I said, apparently Paul just did not know anything about how
>much time a few us of on the list were spending with Chris off the list by
>talking to him on the telephone and trying to help him relating to getting
>and maintaining professional help.  He was, and has been, for most of his
>life been doing exactly that while living with his parents.  I don't know
>what you mean by saying we drove Paul off the list by encouraging Chris in
>unhealthy adventures but I don't recall anybody stupid enough on this list
>to encourage Chris to do things that were unhealthy, wrong, sinful, or even
>criminal.  What a lousy Christian list, if such was the case.  Besides, I
>know why Paul left the list and it had nothing to do with Chris.  Paul wants
>people to think that's why he left the list and I am sorry he left and I
>tried to encourage him to remain but I know exactly why Paul left so please
>don't blame the subscribers of echurch.  You are more than welcome to blame
>me, if you like, because I don't mind taking the responsibility but don't
>blame others for something they did not do concerning Paul.
>
>Phil.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 9:13 AM
>Subject: Re: Chris off list
>
>
> > Phil,
> > This is the kind of thing that drove Paul off the list,  our semi
> > encouraging Chris in unhealthy ventures.  I must tell you, and everyone
> > else for that matter, that I have a real problem with us saying that we
>are
> > praying for chris and his wife in such a way that he could interpret as
> > encouragement in goals that most of us have to know are not wise.  I will
> > just say flat out that I am scared to death for that innocent child, if
> > ever conceived in that situation.  I would almost feel that we should be
> > held partially responsible for the safety of that child, were anything to
> > happen because we didn't have the guts to tell him to wait, at least wait,
> > if not forget it altogether. I congratulate Rhonda especially for such
> > gracious responses in this situation.  You said everything much better
>than
> > I, Rhonda.  Thank you!
> >           Don't worry, I'm not going to leave  or anything over this
>issue,
> > but I don't think that we are doing Chris or Christine any favors by not
> > speaking up and telling them the truth.
> > Kathy
> > Always, for His glory!
> >
> >
> > At 08:38 PM 2/16/2005, you wrote:
> > >Keith,
> > >
> > >There is a long history of Chris which many on this list are aware.  Next
> > >time we talk on the phone, I will explain.  Chris comes and goes on the
>list
> > >more than I change my socks.  He's received more help from people on this
> > >list than anyone.  Both on and off the list and via the telephone.  I
>knew
> > >if we answered his question, this would happen because it has many times
> > >before.
> > >
> > >Phil.
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Keith Hodges" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 6:29 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Chris off list
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think that Chris was feeling patronised, I do not think it would
>hurt to
> > > > apologise, even if he did misunderstand.
> > > >
> > > > yours in Christ
> > > >
> > > > Keith
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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