what is a vow between god and two people?  If we have vowed before God and
each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is living
together a sin?  We are not intimate until then.  I understand about
temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you strong.

Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about it.  I
guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just because we're
going to be living together the devel is going to win.  God is the only one
in control.  Is this our ideal situation?  no.  I've been through too much
in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i... or yet
we... will not break our vow before god.

Jenifer Barr.
When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.


> Hey Jen,
>         First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an inflexible
> pastor.  I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the cerimony
> is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony.  I suppose that he is
> standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue what
> that
> would be.  It seems to me that you are left with three options:  switch
> pastors, move the wedding up,  or leave things as they are and trust God
> for a miracle.  As a child of God, the one option that you don't have, is
> to move in together.  If you begin your marriage by  compromising your
> principles  on something that is truly small in the grand scheme of
> things,
> how can you be trusted for the bigger ones.  Believe me, the one thing
> that
> I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely creative
> in
> the solution department.  We often miss it because we get so stuck in
> thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones that we can
> see and we shut the door on His creativity.  This is a test.  This is only
> a test.  The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His solution and
> timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
> possible.  Good luck on your adventure.  He is faithful.  Your task is to
> remain patient and at peace!  GRIN!
> Kathy
>
>
>
> At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
>>Hi all.  As most of you know, i am getting married in november.  I found
>>out
>>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of august.
>>I
>>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of our fiscal
>>year august 31 and i could forfit my job.  Problem is though, that my
>>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in september
>>or
>>october we would just live together until the wedding.  We both don't
>>really
>>like the idea but it's like we have no choice.  I don't know what to do.
>>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.  Both my fiancee
>>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex before
>>marriage
>>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before marriage a
>>sin?  Is it wrong?  And what do i do if it is?  I know of other christian
>>couples who have lived together before marriage.  I am just so scattered
>>right now.  Please pray for clarity for me?  And above all, pray Gods will
>>be done.
>>I love you all.
>>Jenifer Barr.
>>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
>>AIM: jenibear1998
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