Chris, here are some suggestions.  When putting a coat on a little one,
take the little ones hand or wrist, rather than the arm, so you don't have
to worry about the hand flopping around when guiding it into the
sleeve.  As for tying shoes, you could have the child stand in the shoes
with his back facing you so his shoes would be facing the same direction as
your shoes.

earlier, Chris Gilland, wrote:
>Unluckally, only one.
>
>
>Tonight was a really stressful night.  There were some things I got to do
>tonight, I'd rather not say what, but that I never thought I'd ever have the
>chance to do.  It's nothing bad at all, just generally some things.  Only
>problem is, my sister inlaw completely trusted, and still does trust me,
>however, Kristin mother went as far as to think I was actually purposely
>hurting my little neece.  I'll say no more than that.  I told her, I'm not
>that stupid.  Kaitlyn is so precious to me, I love her like my own.  I would
>never hurt her.  I couldn;t if I had to.  I won't say what I did, but I'll
>at least say this much:  I am fully convinced now, that if I ever have kids,
>I would be a good father to them.  There are some things I just had to see
>where I really stood on, and I thus tonight, with both the help of my wife,
>and with God's mercy, and help, was able to determine, that my grounds are
>very Godly.  I honest surprised not only myself, but I think I surprised my
>sister inlaw too.  There were some things that we had to help with, and
>Kristin had asked Emily, my sister inlaw, if I could at least try to help on
>my own.  Here is the funny thing.  Kristin's mom was like absolutely not,
>however Emily right away without hesitating was like, sure.  In fact she
>went as far as to say, tonight, Chris, you and Kristin are the parents while
>we're here.  I'm stepping back.  I'll help if needed, but consider this a
>test.  I wanna see how you all would react in certain instances.  I'll
>admit, boy, I never knew taking care of a kid could be so hard!  Fun, but
>hard!  I'm a bit warn out, so I think I'll end now, but honestly, I know
>this is asking for it to ask this question, but if it were not for finances,
>and things, do you think just assuming that God provided the money, and
>bills and such, if that wasn't an issue, hypotheticly speaking, that I would
>be a good parent?  I've heard mixed comments on this.  I've heard some say,
>if they were me, they'd not trying in a million years, but I've heard others
>say I'm much too hard on myself, I'd make an excellent father.  I know a lot
>of you all haven't viewed face to face my home living skills as far as
>independence, and what not, but based on things I have told you all, both on
>and off list, do you think it's even possible, or do you think I'd be
>somewhat of a problem.
>
>I want the truth.  I mean, obviously tonight I think I surprised everyone
>including myself.  I did much better with handling things than I suspected.
>I'll say this much for those of you that know what I do mean...  I've not
>factering in my OCD.  That has nothing to do with the things that had to be
>done tonight.  Nothing like that, just things in general.  Like some again,
>I don't wanna name, just as it would take too long to explain the idea
>behind it as they are kind of family type rituals.  For one though, I had a
>realy big pitcher of apple juice.  Kaitlyn wanted some.  I was reluctant,
>for one, to pour it, as I knew with my mild CP it would make my hands
>tremble like crazy, and I'd probably drop it.  Well, I care so much for her,
>I did it, just for her, even though I didn't really want to.  Well, guess
>what.  I did it!  Not even one droplet spilling.  Then, she needed help at
>one point putting on her coat.  Well, I've never dressed a kid, much less
>put a coat or something on one, so I knew being she's in front of me, I
>gotta think backwards, that kind a worried me a bit, that I couldn;'t do it.
>Well, I did.  I was a bit lopsided, but Kristin told me it was a good start,
>that I was awefully close.  Here's though where I had the biggest problem,
>and if any of you all currently have little ones, maybe you could try to
>write out the mistakes you made from a blind perspective, and why it was
>made, so that I could learn from it, and maybe talk me through it for the
>future.  Kaitlyn's only 2.  I think that's real important for me to say up
>front, so that you all can get a feel for her size.  Well, I grabbed the
>coat with one hand, and with the other grabbed her arm nearst to her elbow.
>I tried to put her arm through but my problem was just like with a shirt,
>trying to find exactly how to feel where the arm hole was to line up her
>arm.  Then, I was really scared I was going to push too hard on her arm
>trying to get it in, and then hurt her.  Kristin finally had to take over at
>that task and finnish it off as I just got too jumpy.  I think this is
>certainly something I could have done.  It is just that there are two
>problems:  one is, again, me having to be so gentle that I couldn't get
>enough good leverage.  The other thing was again, since she was facing me,
>that meant her right was my left, her left was my right.  In other words, I
>had to do everything backwards.  like I had to at one time tonight help her
>tie her shoes.  Well, I did a wonderful job, except one issue:  I tied them
>as if they were on me.  Kristin took one look and she's like, well, you did
>it, except that they're tied upside down.  I don't know how on earth someone
>is supposed to do that backwards.  It's hard enough to have me do it
>correctly, much less flip flopping everything.  A friend suggested that next
>time, if I ever am put where I have to dress her or tie her shoe, etc.  have
>her sit on my lap with the back of her head facing my face.  This way we're
>both sitting facing the same direction.  However, most others have said,
>yeah, that's a thought, however, the problem there is, I wouldn't have a
>good feel as the angle would be way off.  When you all have to tie a kid's
>shoe, for example:  among other things, how do you all do it sighted or not,
>since you have to do it backwards.  Anyway, there's my scary night for yall.
>LOL!
>
>
>Chris.
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:32 PM
>Subject: Re: Serious Prayer Request Tonight
>
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Well, there's one relief off your mind.
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris Gilland" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Serious Prayer Request Tonight
> >
> >
> >> Thank God!
> >>
> >> No no, I mean, wo, hold it, don't get me wrong, no no, I don't mean I
> > won't
> >> still pray.  I still will.  It's just that I'm releaved that it isn't
> >> someone that I am really really patheticly close to.  I've already lost
> >> Hope, I couldn't stand losing someone else.
> >>
> >> OK, I didn't lose Hope by death, and believe me if I did, I'd not be here
> >> now writing this either, but that kind a talk will stop right there.
> >>
> >> I just... I dunno.
> >>
> >> Chris sighs.
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm just crazy, yeah, I guess that's it.  O well.  I'd rather be
> > crazy
> >> than stupid.
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris.
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:08 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Serious Prayer Request Tonight
> >>
> >>
> >> > Chris,
> >> >
> >> > It's Phil's friend George in Oklahoma, whose daughter's name is
> > Jennifer.
> >> > Not the Jennifer on echurch list.
> >> >
> >> > Vicki
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Chris Gilland" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:56 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Serious Prayer Request Tonight
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> O my God!  Please God tell me this isn't Jennefer Bar we're talking
> >> >> about!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:43 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Serious Prayer Request Tonight
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I'm late seeing this but will pray just the same.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Vicki
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:20 PM
> >> >> > Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] Serious Prayer Request Tonight
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> George called me today.  Two national labs have discovered
> >> >> >> Jennifer,
> >> > his
> >> >> > 23
> >> >> >> year old daughter, has a bacteria in her lungs which cannot be
> > treated
> >> > by
> >> >> >> any known antibiotic.  She is officially off, therefore, the list
> > for
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> > lung
> >> >> >> transplant.  Only a miracle will save her life.  Since we believe
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> miracles, exercise your God given authority against this bacteria
> > and
> >> >> >> command it to die just like Jesus did the fig tree.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Phil.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I Flew Kites With Jesus
> >> >> >> www.safeplacefellowship.com
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> >> >> >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
> >> >> >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/05
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>

John

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