Actually, I think that miracles do occur but it is because we agree and
believe in Jesus that He will and does and has done that miracle what ever
it is.
Lelia Struve email [log in to unmask] msn [log in to unmask]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerri" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
> Do you think this is a contributing factor to why miracles don't occur as
> much because they aren't as needful today? excellent point, I like that.
> but
> I do have one question, who are the Lord and Lady?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
>
>
> I don't think the Master Jesus healed simply for physical reasons. I
> think
> he healed because the only occupation for those who were disabled was
> begging, and though one could make a pretty good living from begging, and
> the religion required beggars be given alms, it was still rather demeaning
> for the beggar. Orthodox jewery prohibited disabled people from ever
> being
> given the responsibilities of adulthood. They were forbidden from
> marrying
> and entering in to contracts ETC. I think he healed them in order that
> they
> might work and live as full and complete citizens in the communities in
> which they lived. We don't have to beg in this society, neither do we
> have
> to live as children till we die. The times are considerably different.
> Our
> Lord and Lady do perform miracles but not merely because we ask them to do
> so. They have their own agendas and all we can do is to ask how the glory
> of God can be fulfilled by being blind or otherwise disabled. We can
> always
> remember God never gives us more to handle than we are able and if we
> think
> we can't handle whatever situation which we are faced with we just aren't
> aware how strong we are. I know I have learned a great deal from watching
> my
> husband with his Alzheimer's. He often cries and talks of how no one
> loves
> or wants him, and of how alone he feels. I know this is not true because
> his family does love and want him and he is not alone as we are always
> there
> to watch over him and protect him. The point is he doesn't know this.
> This
> shows me that when I feel alone, unloved and unwanted I am not though I
> might feel thus. My husband has shown me we are never alone even when we
> are at our darkest moments. This is a profound lesson. There are those
> who
> never learn this, and go through life thinking God has abandoned them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerri" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 1:39 PM
> Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
>
>
>> Vinny that was well said and a thorough sumation of the way I feel too.
> One
>> question is why do some think it's absolutely necessary to be physically
>> healed? I've heard it all my life about how sad and pitiful my life is
> this
>> way. I disagree.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Vinny Samarco" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I absolutely believe in the phenominon ofspiritual abuse. I have seen
> lots
>> of it in many
>> areas.
>> I don't know that I want to share my story, because it opens up a big can
> of
>> worms. However, God told me I had to forgive those preachers which were
>> thinking they could heal me, in order to put another notch in their gun
>> belt, so-to-speak.
>>
>> The major problem with all this, is that the devil has been trying to
>> work
>> overtime in our lives against any belief in healing.
>> Let's look at this strictly from a logical point of view.
>> 1. Jesus healed blindness and many other disabilities. 2. He told his
>> disciples to heal the sick, raise the dead etc. 3. He told his disciples
>> that they would even do greater works than he did.
>> Now here is the questions we all must answer.
>> Where is it in the bible that Jesus said that all healing and signs and
>> wonders, and gifts of the spirit would cease after the book of Acts and
> the
>> early church?
>> Well, there is no such scripture. That doctrine is a doctrine of man and
> of
>> devils.
>> Therefore, everyone, inspite at the abuse we have all suffered under the
>> hands of well-meaning, and not-so-well-meaning preachers, yet, healing
>> and
>> everything else God promised in His word, is for today.
>> The Devill has used all this garbage we have gone through, to discourage
> us
>> into believing that there is no healing or baptism in the spirit, or
>> anything else.
>> Now, though I believe in healing, I believ contrary to the healing
>> preachers, for the Lord heals, not the preachers. So I prefer to leave
>> it
>> in the Lord's hands, and in his timing.
>> Nevertheless, know that God is greater than our experiences, whether they
> be
>> bad or good. And we can trust our Lord to do what he purposes to do in
> our
>> lives, no matter what the doctrines of man might be.
>>
>> Vinny
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
>>
>>
>> > Kerri,
>> >
>> > The bottom line is, your parents loved you enough to try and do
> something.
>> > Abuse? Not really. The lies you believe, on the other hand, are
> getting
>> in
>> > the way of your life and relationship with the Lord. Those types of
>> > experiences just add fuel to the fire. There are lies that just need
>> > to
>> be
>> > cleared up is all. Jesus knows how to do that very well. You did the
>> right
>> > think by bringing it up because that is what echurch is all about.
>> >
>> > Phil.
>> >
>>
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