Hmm! I tend to agree with you, that so many of the questions we have now
just won't matter then!
<Smiles>
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Carol - Reading, UK
To you, o Lord, I lift up my soul;
In You I trust, o my God. . . .." PS25:1-2 NIV.
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From: "Chipmunks" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Everlasting Father - Daddy Jesus
> No, sis, you have not confused me. <g> and as awesome and infinite as our
> great god is, I have no doubt his fatherhood and the extent of his love is
> really incomprehensible to any human mind this side of eternity. I'm
> lookig forward to being able to ask him all the cuestions I want when I
> see him face to face but then maybe when I do, those won't matter anymore.
> <g>
>
> hugs and squeezes!
>
> Doris
>
>
>
> At 07:39 AM 6/8/2007 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>Doris,
>>
>>I agree that we are to pray "to the Father". In the Scriptures Jesus is
>>referred to as "our elder brother". (Sorry I don't have a reference to
>>hand right now.) . . .. Nevertheless, the fact that He is "one with the
>>Father" is far beyond what we might understand as being "one" with
>>someone! Wonderful, isn't it!
>>
>>It is also a wonderful thing that we are told that we can ask the Father
>>anything in (through) the Name of Jesus!
>>
>>I like to keep it this simple and pray I don't confuse you at all.
>>
>>I know it can be difficult for those who had problems or do not know their
>>earthly father; but equally, those of us who had fathers who cared for us
>>and were our heros throughout childhood have to discover the real
>>fatherhood of God, which is so far beyond anything we knew of our earthly
>>fathers who, we have to admit, were not without their failings.
>>
>>My love to you in Him who made us to be sisters!
>>
>>
>>--
>>Carol
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>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Chipmunks" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:37 PM
>>Subject: Re: Everlasting Father - Daddy Jesus
>>
>>
>>>Hi,Phil,
>>>
>>>your story touched me and i am glad that God assured you of his
>>>fathership.
>>>
>>>While I am familiar with the passage in isaiah you quote, I do not take
>>>that as a teaching to see Jesus as the Father beyond Jesus's
>>>proclammation that he and the Father are one. I do not remember Jesus or
>>>anyone else in the New Testament referrng to Jesus as the Father. My
>>>understanding of the Triune God Is God the Father as the Father of Jesus
>>>who has adopted us into the family of God thru the sacrifice, death and
>>>resurrection of Jesus and has given us the Holy Spirit. My favorite Bible
>>>translation talks of a spirit of adoption and i have always taken that to
>>>refer to an adoption by God the father who treats us adopted children
>>>equal to his only begotten Son as Jesus's sacrifice and our acceptance
>>>thereof and commitment to Christ have made us acceptable in God's eyes.
>>>
>>>I can see why seeing Jesus as the Father figure might be easier as Jesus
>>>was fully Man as he walked the Earth but then his oneness with the
>>>Father was has God share in this and then Man is created in the Image of
>>>God.
>>>
>>>Due to some of my personal history, i have struggled and still struggle
>>>with the father image of God and I have sometimes been advised to pray to
>>>Jesus rather than the Father but I prefer following Jesus's teaching who
>>>taught not to pray to him but to the father directly.
>>>
>>>Using the one Old Testament reference to the coming Messiah as the
>>>Eternal Father reminds me of the one Old Testament reference to God
>>>having the Love of a mother or something to that nature. While I do
>>>acknowledge the Almighty infinite God being anything way beyond any human
>>>gender references, I do think that god is "male" in a very encompassing
>>>way as Jesus taught him as such and the he seems to always be referred to
>>>as male throughout the Bible. Thus I cannot bring myself to think of and
>>>relate to to a "mother God" as has been suggested to me on occasion.
>>>
>>>The fathership of God is a central focus of my walk with God, both a
>>>praise and a struggle sometimes - praise as I learn more about God and
>>>receive teaching and understanding and a struggle sometimes still when I
>>>find myself scared of the God of Love or thinking he would want to just
>>>ignore me as finite earthly fathers sometimes do. Relating to the much
>>>more graspable figure of Jesus for a father has a certain appeal to me
>>>but i am not sure that that is what God has been teaching me. I do see
>>>the character of Jesus aas a more graspable expression of the character
>>>of God, his care for people, his life of service and a reminder that God
>>>does know all our human existence but I see Jesus more of an ideal of
>>>how our lives as sons and daughters of God should be like than I see him
>>>as a daddy picture. Mr. God has provided me a number of human daddy
>>>pictures as my own that I had was kind of lacking but those are pictures
>>>of human daddies just as Jesus likened his explanations of the character
>>>of God to human dads and not to himself.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure I'm making sense to myself. <g> It's time to have a talk
>>>with Mr. God for me, i reckon. <g>
>>>
>>>I'm curious to see others' thoughts and understanding on this topic.
>>>
>>>Thanks much.
>>>
>>>Doris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 10:18 AM 6/7/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>>>
>>>>I was in a prayer session about five years ago. We prayed
>>>>through many situations relating to my relationship with my
>>>>father. Of course, most of you know he died when I was only 11
>>>>years old. How could I be so well connected, so bonded, with my
>>>>father at such a young age? My father was my hero. More than
>>>>that, he was, sort of speak, my Biblical hero. I often would
>>>>awaken at 5 to 5 in the morning and stumble downstairs to get in
>>>>bed with my folks. At that hour of the morning, although dad left
>>>>for work around 6 o'clock, he was already up. The bright kitchen
>>>>lights would be on, and I would blink from their harshness as I
>>>>passed through the kitchen on my way to the bedroom of my parents.
>>>>I never failed to see what dad was doing, however, at that early
>>>>hour. He always got up a couple of hours before work in order to
>>>>study the Scriptures and to pray. I would see his Bible, an
>>>>opened notebook for his notes, various colored pens and pencils,
>>>>and sometime other books he would be using to look up other
>>>>Biblical information all laying opened and scattered across the
>>>>surface of the kitchen table. I knew, without ever being told,
>>>>that God, and the Bible, were the most important things in my
>>>>father's life.
>>>>
>>>> During this prayer session several years ago, to which I
>>>>began to make reference, the prayer session became very painful.
>>>>I hadn't been allowed to see my father during the last three weeks
>>>>of his life. Children, in those days, weren't allowed to go to
>>>>the hospital rooms of adults and not even if it were their
>>>>parents. So my father died without me ever once being allowed to
>>>>see him. "It's just the way it was back then and I would have to
>>>>live with it. Well, over the years, the pain remained. I felt
>>>>cheated, misunderstood, and broken for some reason. "Why did you
>>>>allow this to happen, Lord?" was in my thoughts but I never knew
>>>>it, nor spoke of it to anyone, because I didn't know it was there.
>>>>These old feelings, locked into old forty year old memories from
>>>>wounded and bruised emotions had never gone away. They were
>>>>coming out now, rushing out, and the little boy inside was still
>>>>hurting and fearful and crying.
>>>>
>>>> As we prayed, I felt as if I were in that hospital room I had
>>>>been denied forty years earlier. I felt my mom in the room, my
>>>>dad laying in the hospital bed, and Jesus standing near. The Lord
>>>>said your dad had things he wanted you to know before he died but
>>>>he couldn't speak due to the coma. I was allowed to hear and feel
>>>>the love and concern my father had for me. He made it clear the
>>>>Lord would take care of me. "He is your Father now," was clearly
>>>>spoken into my thoughts. This was totally amazing to me as a
>>>>child and a grown man at the same time. I heard the Lord say,
>>>>"I'm your Father now." Isaiah 9:6 suddenly jumped into my
>>>>thoughts and made perfect spiritual sense to me for the first time
>>>>in my life.
>>>>
>>>>For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
>>>>government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be
>>>>called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting
>>>>Father, The Prince of Peace.
>>>>
>>>> I have no problem now, since I experienced the reality of
>>>>Scripture, calling Jesus my Father because He now is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>"Pray, pray, pray!" - Pray without ceasing. (1 Th 5:17)
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