Angel,
I do respect the fact that for all intents and purposes, this subject is
closed now, but I must just say that you are really mixing apples and
oranges here.
Kathy
At 07:19 PM 7/22/2005, you wrote:
>What do you think military war games are? No one really dies in a war game
>it is merely a training exercise. I am a medical teaching assistant and
>doctors practice giving me medical exams before they get to give real
>patients exams. Before they practice on us their only experience with
>examinations is to work with cadavers or models. They put their hands on my
>private parts and everything because they are giving me pelvic exams. I am
>to evaluate their methods and am to assist in giving them grades. Their
>touching may appear sexual but it surely isn't. But if they didn't practice
>on people like me you real patients would surely have a rough way to go. So
>the appearance of a thing doesn't necessarily depict what it really is.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:22 AM
>Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > You mean I can apear to kill someone and it is ok if I think it is iok
>between God and I.
> >
> > --
> > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > Karen Carter '74
> >
> >
> >
> > > I know this. This is why I was saying that we can not judge whether or
>not
> > > one is a good Christian witness by the way he lives his life as all
> > > Christians are imperfectly living their lives and in most cases it is
> > > condoned. I am guilty of living an imperfect life myself so whatever
>this
> > > couple does if they feel it is rite in the sight of god they should do
>it
> > > without really worrying over how it may appear too others.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:42 AM
> > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Angel,
> > > > When I was attending a Catholic church, they use to have a Sunday
>morning
> > > > breakfast.
> > > > There is a school attached to the church, but still, we had breakfast
>and
> > > > there were soft drink machines there also.
> > > > My point is that Catholics and Protestants both are doing the same
>thing.
> > > > I have a big enough job taking care of my business and keeping my nose
> > > > clean that I do not have time to worry about those small things.
> > > > When we meet Jesus face to face, he will know what is in our hearts
>and I
> > > > do not believe that we will be judged by whether we are drinking soft
> > > > drinks from the vending machine, or drinking coffee from a coffee pot.
> > > > I believe we will be judged according to what is in our hearts, and
>how we
> > > > have treated our each other.
> > > > Just my thoughts.
> > > > Blessings to all!
> > > > Virgie At 08:48 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >I know Christian people who are gluttons as well. Just look at all
>the
> > > fat
> > > > >people in the church. Do I judge them? Gluttony is a sin according
>to
> > > St
> > > > >Paul. The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know
>Christians
> > > who
> > > > >drink soft drinks. If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a
>toilet
> > > > >bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it. I even went to a Christian
> > > church
> > > > >where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church of
>all
> > > > >things. The take drugs as well. They are always drinking caffeine.
>I
> > > say
> > > > >that to say this just what is a good witness. I really don't think
>we
> > > can
> > > > >really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so many
> > > > >Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach.
>There
> > > are
> > > > >a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex together
>or
> > > > >contemplating marriage. If people are basing their relationship with
> > > Christ
> > > > >on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their
> > > personal
> > > > >relationship with Christ they will be building their house on
>shifting
> > > sands
> > > > >and it will fall. ----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
> > > > >Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before
> > > marriage? It
> > > > > > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to
> > > scripture
> > > > > > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be
>situations
> > > > > > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not
>all
> > > that
> > > > > > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a
>concern
> > > for
> > > > > > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also
>that
> > > of
> > > > > > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and
> > > they
> > > > > > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living
> > > righteous, I
> > > > > > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how
>does
> > > that
> > > > > > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the
>responsibility
> > > of
> > > > > > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such,
>and
> > > > > > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem
>to
> > > line
> > > > > > up biblically or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even
>the
> > > > > > appearance of sin, not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > > > > > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms
>1
> > > says
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ps 1:1-2
> > > > > > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
>or
> > > stand
> > > > > > in the way of sinners
> > > > > > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of
>the
> > > LORD,
> > > > > > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a
> > > gradual
> > > > > > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working
>against
> > > the
> > > > > > law or God's Word.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as
>such
> > > > > > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What
> > > would
> > > > > > make a couple stronger, living together because of life's
> > > circumstances
> > > > > > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are
>preventing a
> > > > > > couple of living as a married one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brad
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > > > > > I agree with you. It seems Christians today think the devil is
>bound
> > > to
> > > > > > win
> > > > > > in every situation. I think if you do live together without
>falling
> > > in to
> > > > > > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for
>each
> > > other
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly
>godly
> > > love
> > > > > > which will last through the years. It will also serve as a
>testament
> > > of
> > > > > > your commitment to god's precepts. I will pray that you be
>constant
> > > in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last
>as
> > > long
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > what is a vow between god and two people? If we have vowed
>before
> > > God
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is
> > > living
> > > > > > > together a sin? We are not intimate until then. I understand
> > > about
> > > > > > > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps
>you
> > > > > > strong.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed
>about
> > > > > > it. I
> > > > > > > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just
> > > because
> > > > > > we're
> > > > > > > going to be living together the devel is going to win. God is
>the
> > > only
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > in control. Is this our ideal situation? no. I've been
>through
> > > too
> > > > > > much
> > > > > > > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and
>i...
> > > or
> > > > > > yet
> > > > > > > we... will not break our vow before god.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > > msn
> > > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey Jen,
> > > > > > > > First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > > > > > inflexible
> > > > > > > > pastor. I don't see what difference it makes to him whether
>the
> > > > > > cerimony
> > > > > > > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony. I
>suppose
> > > that
> > > > > > he
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no
>clue
> > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > would be. It seems to me that you are left with three
> > > > > > options: switch
> > > > > > > > pastors, move the wedding up, or leave things as they are
>and
> > > trust
> > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > for a miracle. As a child of God, the one option that you
>don't
> > > > > > have,
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > to move in together. If you begin your marriage by
>compromising
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > principles on something that is truly small in the grand
>scheme
> > > of
> > > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones. Believe me, the
>one
> > > > > > thing
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is
>extremely
> > > > > > creative
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the solution department. We often miss it because we get so
> > > stuck in
> > > > > > > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones
> > > that we
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > see and we shut the door on His creativity. This is a test.
> > > This is
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > a test. The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > > > > > solution
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only
>what is
> > > > > > > > possible. Good luck on your adventure. He is faithful.
>Your
> > > task
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > remain patient and at peace! GRIN!
> > > > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > > > >>Hi all. As most of you know, i am getting married in
>november.
> > > I
> > > > > > found
> > > > > > > >>out
> > > > > > > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the
>beginning of
> > > > > > august.
> > > > > > > >>I
> > > > > > > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end
>of
> > > our
> > > > > > fiscal
> > > > > > > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job. Problem is though,
> > > that my
> > > > > > > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move
>in
> > > > > > september
> > > > > > > >>or
> > > > > > > >>october we would just live together until the wedding. We
>both
> > > don't
> > > > > > > >>really
> > > > > > > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice. I don't know
>what
> > > to
> > > > > > do.
> > > > > > > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.
>Both my
> > > > > > fiancee
> > > > > > > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex
> > > before
> > > > > > > >>marriage
> > > > > > > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together
>before
> > > > > > marriage
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > >>sin? Is it wrong? And what do i do if it is? I know of
>other
> > > > > > christian
> > > > > > > >>couples who have lived together before marriage. I am just
>so
> > > > > > scattered
> > > > > > > >>right now. Please pray for clarity for me? And above all,
>pray
> > > Gods
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >>be done.
> > > > > > > >>I love you all.
> > > > > > > >>Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > > >>msn
> > > > > > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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