What do you think military war games are? No one really dies in a war game
it is merely a training exercise. I am a medical teaching assistant and
doctors practice giving me medical exams before they get to give real
patients exams. Before they practice on us their only experience with
examinations is to work with cadavers or models. They put their hands on my
private parts and everything because they are giving me pelvic exams. I am
to evaluate their methods and am to assist in giving them grades. Their
touching may appear sexual but it surely isn't. But if they didn't practice
on people like me you real patients would surely have a rough way to go. So
the appearance of a thing doesn't necessarily depict what it really is.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> You mean I can apear to kill someone and it is ok if I think it is iok
between God and I.
>
> --
> Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> Karen Carter '74
>
>
>
> > I know this. This is why I was saying that we can not judge whether or
not
> > one is a good Christian witness by the way he lives his life as all
> > Christians are imperfectly living their lives and in most cases it is
> > condoned. I am guilty of living an imperfect life myself so whatever
this
> > couple does if they feel it is rite in the sight of god they should do
it
> > without really worrying over how it may appear too others.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> >
> >
> > > Angel,
> > > When I was attending a Catholic church, they use to have a Sunday
morning
> > > breakfast.
> > > There is a school attached to the church, but still, we had breakfast
and
> > > there were soft drink machines there also.
> > > My point is that Catholics and Protestants both are doing the same
thing.
> > > I have a big enough job taking care of my business and keeping my nose
> > > clean that I do not have time to worry about those small things.
> > > When we meet Jesus face to face, he will know what is in our hearts
and I
> > > do not believe that we will be judged by whether we are drinking soft
> > > drinks from the vending machine, or drinking coffee from a coffee pot.
> > > I believe we will be judged according to what is in our hearts, and
how we
> > > have treated our each other.
> > > Just my thoughts.
> > > Blessings to all!
> > > Virgie At 08:48 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I know Christian people who are gluttons as well. Just look at all
the
> > fat
> > > >people in the church. Do I judge them? Gluttony is a sin according
to
> > St
> > > >Paul. The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know
Christians
> > who
> > > >drink soft drinks. If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a
toilet
> > > >bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it. I even went to a Christian
> > church
> > > >where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church of
all
> > > >things. The take drugs as well. They are always drinking caffeine.
I
> > say
> > > >that to say this just what is a good witness. I really don't think
we
> > can
> > > >really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so many
> > > >Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach.
There
> > are
> > > >a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex together
or
> > > >contemplating marriage. If people are basing their relationship with
> > Christ
> > > >on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their
> > personal
> > > >relationship with Christ they will be building their house on
shifting
> > sands
> > > >and it will fall. ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before
> > marriage? It
> > > > > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to
> > scripture
> > > > > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be
situations
> > > > > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not
all
> > that
> > > > > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a
concern
> > for
> > > > > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also
that
> > of
> > > > > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and
> > they
> > > > > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living
> > righteous, I
> > > > > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how
does
> > that
> > > > > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the
responsibility
> > of
> > > > > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such,
and
> > > > > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem
to
> > line
> > > > > up biblically or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even
the
> > > > > appearance of sin, not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > > > > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms
1
> > says
> > > > >
> > > > > Ps 1:1-2
> > > > > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or
> > stand
> > > > > in the way of sinners
> > > > > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of
the
> > LORD,
> > > > > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> > > > >
> > > > > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a
> > gradual
> > > > > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working
against
> > the
> > > > > law or God's Word.
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as
such
> > > > > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What
> > would
> > > > > make a couple stronger, living together because of life's
> > circumstances
> > > > > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are
preventing a
> > > > > couple of living as a married one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > > > > I agree with you. It seems Christians today think the devil is
bound
> > to
> > > > > win
> > > > > in every situation. I think if you do live together without
falling
> > in to
> > > > > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for
each
> > other
> > > > > is
> > > > > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly
godly
> > love
> > > > > which will last through the years. It will also serve as a
testament
> > of
> > > > > your commitment to god's precepts. I will pray that you be
constant
> > in
> > > > > this
> > > > > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last
as
> > long
> > > > > as
> > > > > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > what is a vow between god and two people? If we have vowed
before
> > God
> > > > > and
> > > > > > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is
> > living
> > > > > > together a sin? We are not intimate until then. I understand
> > about
> > > > > > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps
you
> > > > > strong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed
about
> > > > > it. I
> > > > > > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just
> > because
> > > > > we're
> > > > > > going to be living together the devel is going to win. God is
the
> > only
> > > > > one
> > > > > > in control. Is this our ideal situation? no. I've been
through
> > too
> > > > > much
> > > > > > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and
i...
> > or
> > > > > yet
> > > > > > we... will not break our vow before god.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > msn
> > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey Jen,
> > > > > > > First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > > > > inflexible
> > > > > > > pastor. I don't see what difference it makes to him whether
the
> > > > > cerimony
> > > > > > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony. I
suppose
> > that
> > > > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no
clue
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > would be. It seems to me that you are left with three
> > > > > options: switch
> > > > > > > pastors, move the wedding up, or leave things as they are
and
> > trust
> > > > > God
> > > > > > > for a miracle. As a child of God, the one option that you
don't
> > > > > have,
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > to move in together. If you begin your marriage by
compromising
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > principles on something that is truly small in the grand
scheme
> > of
> > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones. Believe me, the
one
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is
extremely
> > > > > creative
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > the solution department. We often miss it because we get so
> > stuck in
> > > > > > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones
> > that we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > see and we shut the door on His creativity. This is a test.
> > This is
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > a test. The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > > > > solution
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only
what is
> > > > > > > possible. Good luck on your adventure. He is faithful.
Your
> > task
> > > > > is
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > remain patient and at peace! GRIN!
> > > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > > >>Hi all. As most of you know, i am getting married in
november.
> > I
> > > > > found
> > > > > > >>out
> > > > > > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the
beginning of
> > > > > august.
> > > > > > >>I
> > > > > > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end
of
> > our
> > > > > fiscal
> > > > > > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job. Problem is though,
> > that my
> > > > > > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move
in
> > > > > september
> > > > > > >>or
> > > > > > >>october we would just live together until the wedding. We
both
> > don't
> > > > > > >>really
> > > > > > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice. I don't know
what
> > to
> > > > > do.
> > > > > > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.
Both my
> > > > > fiancee
> > > > > > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex
> > before
> > > > > > >>marriage
> > > > > > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together
before
> > > > > marriage
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >>sin? Is it wrong? And what do i do if it is? I know of
other
> > > > > christian
> > > > > > >>couples who have lived together before marriage. I am just
so
> > > > > scattered
> > > > > > >>right now. Please pray for clarity for me? And above all,
pray
> > Gods
> > > > > will
> > > > > > >>be done.
> > > > > > >>I love you all.
> > > > > > >>Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > >>msn
> > > > > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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