Angel,
When I was attending a Catholic church, they use to have a Sunday morning
breakfast.
There is a school attached to the church, but still, we had breakfast and
there were soft drink machines there also.
My point is that Catholics and Protestants both are doing the same thing.
I have a big enough job taking care of my business and keeping my nose
clean that I do not have time to worry about those small things.
When we meet Jesus face to face, he will know what is in our hearts and I
do not believe that we will be judged by whether we are drinking soft
drinks from the vending machine, or drinking coffee from a coffee pot.
I believe we will be judged according to what is in our hearts, and how we
have treated our each other.
Just my thoughts.
Blessings to all!
Virgie At 08:48 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:

>I know Christian people who are gluttons as well.  Just look at all the fat
>people in the  church.  Do I judge them?  Gluttony is a sin according to St
>Paul.  The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know Christians who
>drink soft drinks.  If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a toilet
>bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it.  I even went to a Christian church
>where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church of all
>things.  The take drugs as well.  They are always drinking caffeine.  I say
>that to say this just what is a good witness.  I really don't think we can
>really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so many
>Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach. There are
>a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex together or
>contemplating marriage.  If people are basing their relationship with Christ
>on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their personal
>relationship with Christ they will be building their house on shifting sands
>and it will fall.      ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
>Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before marriage? It
> > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to scripture
> > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be situations
> > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not all that
> > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a concern for
> > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also that of
> > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and they
> > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living righteous, I
> > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how does that
> > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the responsibility of
> > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such, and
> > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem to line
> > up biblically  or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even the
> > appearance of sin,  not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms 1 says
> >
> > Ps 1:1-2
> > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand
> > in the way of sinners
> > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
> > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> >
> > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a gradual
> > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working against the
> > law or God's Word.
> >
> > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as such
> > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What would
> > make  a couple stronger, living together because of life's circumstances
> > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are preventing a
> > couple of living as a married one.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > I agree with you.  It seems Christians today think the devil is bound to
> > win
> > in every situation.  I think if you do live together without falling in to
> > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for each other
> > is
> > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly godly love
> > which will last through the years.  It will also serve as a testament of
> > your commitment to god's precepts.  I will pray that you be constant in
> > this
> > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last as long
> > as
> > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> >
> >
> >  > what is a vow between god and two people?  If we have vowed before God
> > and
> >  > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is living
> >  > together a sin?  We are not intimate until then.  I understand about
> >  > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you
> > strong.
> >  >
> >  > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about
> > it.  I
> >  > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just because
> > we're
> >  > going to be living together the devel is going to win.  God is the only
> > one
> >  > in control.  Is this our ideal situation?  no.  I've been through too
> > much
> >  > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i... or
> > yet
> >  > we... will not break our vow before god.
> >  >
> >  > Jenifer Barr.
> >  > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> >  > AIM: jenibear1998
> >  > msn
> >  > [log in to unmask]
> >  > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> >  > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >  > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> >  > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > Hey Jen,
> >  > >         First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > inflexible
> >  > > pastor.  I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the
> > cerimony
> >  > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony.  I suppose that
> > he
> > is
> >  > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue
> > what
> >  > > that
> >  > > would be.  It seems to me that you are left with three
> > options:  switch
> >  > > pastors, move the wedding up,  or leave things as they are and trust
> > God
> >  > > for a miracle.  As a child of God, the one option that you don't
> > have,
> > is
> >  > > to move in together.  If you begin your marriage by  compromising
> > your
> >  > > principles  on something that is truly small in the grand scheme of
> >  > > things,
> >  > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones.  Believe me, the one
> > thing
> >  > > that
> >  > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely
> > creative
> >  > > in
> >  > > the solution department.  We often miss it because we get so stuck in
> >  > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones that we
> > can
> >  > > see and we shut the door on His creativity.  This is a test.  This is
> > only
> >  > > a test.  The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > solution
> > and
> >  > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
> >  > > possible.  Good luck on your adventure.  He is faithful.  Your task
> > is
> > to
> >  > > remain patient and at peace!  GRIN!
> >  > > Kathy
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> >  > >>Hi all.  As most of you know, i am getting married in november.  I
> > found
> >  > >>out
> >  > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of
> > august.
> >  > >>I
> >  > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of our
> > fiscal
> >  > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job.  Problem is though, that my
> >  > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in
> > september
> >  > >>or
> >  > >>october we would just live together until the wedding.  We both don't
> >  > >>really
> >  > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice.  I don't know what to
> > do.
> >  > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.  Both my
> > fiancee
> >  > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex before
> >  > >>marriage
> >  > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before
> > marriage
> > a
> >  > >>sin?  Is it wrong?  And what do i do if it is?  I know of other
> > christian
> >  > >>couples who have lived together before marriage.  I am just so
> > scattered
> >  > >>right now.  Please pray for clarity for me?  And above all, pray Gods
> > will
> >  > >>be done.
> >  > >>I love you all.
> >  > >>Jenifer Barr.
> >  > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> >  > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> >  > >>msn
> >  > >>[log in to unmask]
> >  > >
>
>
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