realluy? He wanted us to borrow our friends credit cards to pay his
ministry, he hauled me down a fire tunnel though this was 2 years ago so I
don't know if he's changed. Got stuck at his fresh fire conference until 1
in the morning.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Hooley" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: spiritual abuse


Except for my own inner struggles, which I have anyway, I didn't have a
problem with Todd Bently.

Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerri" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: spiritual abuse


> vinny, I entirely agree save the time I got dragged to and stuck with Todd
> Bently, I've not gone to a healing minister since.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vinny Samarco" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 4:45 PM
> Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
>
>
> Virgi,
> I had the same thing happen to me.  Several people of this minister's
> henchmen came to tell me that this guy could heal me.  They dragged me up
to
> the front.
> When the minister asked me if I believed he could heal me, I said that I
> didn't think this was the right time.
> So he turned to the audience and said"  With a heart like that, God can't
do
> anything for you.
> I have lots more stories but won't tel them.
> After that, I went to the Lord with all this.  He said to me that I was
not
> to ask for healing or even think of it until He told me to do so.
> So, as long as I stay away from healing preachers, I am not a target.
> Vinny
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 3:20 PM
> Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
>
>
> > Keri,
> > I was very young and very shy and scared.
> > I did tell him that it was not time for me to be healed.
> > I wanted to say to him that Jesus could heal me without his help, but I
> was
> > afraid of getting a whipping when I got home.
> > I hope I did not misjudge that preacher.
> > Virgie At 01:46 PM 7/1/2005, you wrote:
> >
> > >Wow Bergie, that preacher soounded awful and he wanted credit,instead
of
> > >glorifying the lord. Whenever people ask if I believe in healing my
> answer
> > >is yes but I don't require it.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 5:52 AM
> > >Subject: Re: spiritual abuse
> > >
> > >
> > >Kerri,
> > >When I was a young girl, my step mother took me to a preacher who was
> said
> > >to have healing power through the Lord.
> > >First, he put his hand on my head so hard that it hurt.
> > >He kept pushing on my head until I thought I was going to fall.
> > >He asked if I had faith in God, and did I think he could heal me.
> > >I answered yes, I do have faith and I believe that Jesus could heal me.
> > >He prayed, it seemed to me quite a long time.
> > >He asked me can you see now?
> > >I said yes, but no better than I could before you prayed.
> > >He told me that it was my fault that I didn't get healed because I did
> not
> > >have the faith.
> > >I answered, that I did have faith, but that I did not think it was the
> time
> > >that Jesus Christ had chosen for me to see.
> > >I said that when it is time for me to be healed, Jesus will do it.
> > >What his comments did to me was to make me doubt my faith.
> > >It made me think for a while that it was my fault that I was not
healed.
> > >I have prayed about this and have discovered that it was not my fault.
> > >I really believe that this preacher was looking for credit and glory
for
> > >himself.
> > >I pray that Jesus will forgive me if I am wrong about that.
> > >I also pray that he will reveal the truth to me about this man if I am
> > >wrong.
> > >I know we are not suppose to judge others, and I try not to do that.
> > >I do not believe that it was abuse though.
> > >My step mother wanted to help me because she loved me.
> > >I can understand how you are feeling and why you feel that way.
> > >Please share with us any time.
> > >You will not be chastised here for your feelings and concerns.
> > >Huggs and blessings.
> > >Yours in Christ
> > >Virgie At 01:39 AM 7/1/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >Hello all. Is there usch a thing as spiritual abuse? I as this
because
> an
> > > >issue occured when a child that I call abuse and wanted yor opinion
on
> it.
> > > >     My parents took me at a very young age to a healer probably in
> 1979 or
> > > >early eighties because they thought I was going to die of my bone
> disease.
> > > >This man they told them, had the gift of discernment and that God
> revealed
> > > >things about the people he prayed for. This man asked me if I had
> spirits
> > > >in
> > > >me like spirits of anger or spirits of doubt. Now mind you I was
saved
> by
> > > >the time I was 5 years old. He then plunked his hand on my head and
> started
> > > >chanting leave leave to these spirits. I remember feeling really
> nervous
> > > >but
> > > >said nohting thinking my parents knew best. the man also said maybe
I'd
> see
> > > >soon which never happened. Well time passed, and what happened was
that
> > > >people ignored me a lot, I'd get rejected often, never had friends
and
> then
> > > >couldn't find work. Last December, I was wondering why I never could
> trust
> > > >God propperly, as I have a great relationship with my dad, when the
> above
> > > >scene was revealed to me. I remembered everything in total detail,
most
> of
> > > >which I'd forgotten. My questions are
> > > >1. Is this or was this abuse and
> > > >2. Do you think there is any corelation between my utter inability to
> find
> > > >work and people ignoring me. Now please know, I dislike healing
> intesnely,
> > > >it scares me, the holy spirit in fact I find unnerving and never knew
> why.
> > > >What we think happened was that I subconsciously felt that since this
> guy
> > > >asked if I had all these spirits in me, the holy spirit either was no
> good
> > > >or thought ill of me.  to top that all off, my parents took me to
these
> > > >types of things repeatedly not knowing this isn't good for a child. I
> hope
> > > >you don't think this is utter haracy, was very very nervous to reveal
> this
> > > >to anyone. Be glad for all God is planning for you. Be patient in
> trouble,
> > > >and always be prayerful.
> > > >
> > > >                               Romans 12:12, NLT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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