Well the word says that all things of this earth are remembered not more.
I was thinking the cloud of witnesses were the people whe have lived a righteous life before us.  Like oour christian perents set an example would be part of the cloud of witnesses. And the surrounding verses tell us to be around other christians the part of the cloud of witneeses.
And in 1John 5:6-13.
When the one man called u[ Samual he was unhappy and asked Why did you call me up let me rest.
Jesus did not die.  His body did but it was resorrected and he lives.
And why did the man who died and went to hell have to ask Lazareth to give him a drink and ask him to witness to his family if he could hear them why doesn't he witness and Lazareth told him you did not believe while you were alive wo why should they believe a dead man
What kind of Heaven would it be if the saints had to know all the trouble on earth.  I am sure they are to busy worshiping the Lord tow worry about our troubles

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Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
Karen Carter '74



> How do you know the saints can't hear our prayers?  St. Paul said we are
> surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.  Elijah and Moses appeared with our lord
> on the mount of transfiguration, and that abominable seance the witch of
> andora performed with saul to call up Samuel was an example of the dead
> hearing us when we speak.  When we are absent from the body we are present
> with the lord.  If Jesus and God hear our prayers what causes you to think
> the saints can not.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > Well being prostatant or Carholic really has nothing to do with a blessed
> wedding.  It is our relationship with Jesus and performing the cremony to
> unite one another in Christ is for witniessing to man that you are committed
> to one another in Christ.  Christ knows what is in the heart wether we are
> prostant or catholic.  I was catholic at one time and Ijust thought there
> was too much repatitous ceremonial pratctice and no personal relationship
> with Jesus.  I can pray right to God and not through the preist. or saints
> that can't hear our prayers.
> >
> > --
> > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > Karen Carter '74
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ms. Carter What does this mean?
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am proud to be a protetant not cremonal.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > > > Karen Carter '74
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Gosh this is strange.  It is this kind of talk which makes me glad I
> am
> > > not
> > > > > a protestant if those are the sort of things you practice.  I think
> a
> > > > > wedding conducted in such a fashion would be surely desecrating a
> > > blessed
> > > > > and holy sacrament.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:54 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > you're not serious.  *smile*
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 5:48 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Speaking of doable, Jennifer, I can conduct a wedding right over
> the
> > > > > phone
> > > > > > > for you and it won't cost you guys a thing.  We can even do a
> three
> > > way
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > we can have witnesses.
> > > > > > >