Angel,
Because God just may be bigger than their circumstances.Kathy
Kathy
At 08:00 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
>Why then do some churches accept in their communities those who divorce for
>reasons other then adultery. Jesus said only a man has the rite to divorce
>a woman not the other way around, and adultery is the only reason for
>divorce. Why do women go in to churches with no head covering as St. Paul
>said this shouldn't be. Why do women teach in churches when St. Paul said
>they should be silent in the church. Also why is polygamy not practiced.
>There are many thing Jesus specifically said we should do many churches
>don't practice these days They have excuses for this of course but these
>things aren't adhered to. Why then must we say these two loving people
>shouldn't follow their hearts particularly because they have extenuating
>circumstances.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Karen Carter" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:38 PM
>Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > AMAN Brad. I said that in shorter terms. and Also you are not to
>comvorm to the world but live as Christ .
> >
> > --
> > Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
> > Karen Carter '74
> >
> >
> >
> > > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before marriage?
>It
> > > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to
>scripture
> > > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be situations
> > > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not all
>that
> > > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a concern
>for
> > > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also that of
> > > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and they
> > > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living righteous,
>I
> > > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how does
>that
> > > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the responsibility
>of
> > > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such, and
> > > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem to line
> > > up biblically or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even the
> > > appearance of sin, not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms 1 says
> > >
> > > Ps 1:1-2
> > > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or
>stand
> > > in the way of sinners
> > > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the
>LORD,
> > > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> > >
> > > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a
>gradual
> > > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working against the
> > > law or God's Word.
> > >
> > > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as such
> > > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What would
> > > make a couple stronger, living together because of life's circumstances
> > > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are preventing a
> > > couple of living as a married one.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > > I agree with you. It seems Christians today think the devil is bound to
> > > win
> > > in every situation. I think if you do live together without falling in
>to
> > > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for each
>other
> > > is
> > > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly godly
>love
> > > which will last through the years. It will also serve as a testament of
> > > your commitment to god's precepts. I will pray that you be constant in
> > > this
> > > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last as
>long
> > > as
> > > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > >
> > >
> > > > what is a vow between god and two people? If we have vowed before
>God
> > > and
> > > > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is living
> > > > together a sin? We are not intimate until then. I understand about
> > > > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you
> > > strong.
> > > >
> > > > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about
> > > it. I
> > > > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just because
> > > we're
> > > > going to be living together the devel is going to win. God is the
>only
> > > one
> > > > in control. Is this our ideal situation? no. I've been through too
> > > much
> > > > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i... or
> > > yet
> > > > we... will not break our vow before god.
> > > >
> > > > Jenifer Barr.
> > > > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > msn
> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey Jen,
> > > > > First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > > inflexible
> > > > > pastor. I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the
> > > cerimony
> > > > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony. I suppose
>that
> > > he
> > > is
> > > > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue
> > > what
> > > > > that
> > > > > would be. It seems to me that you are left with three
> > > options: switch
> > > > > pastors, move the wedding up, or leave things as they are and
>trust
> > > God
> > > > > for a miracle. As a child of God, the one option that you don't
> > > have,
> > > is
> > > > > to move in together. If you begin your marriage by compromising
> > > your
> > > > > principles on something that is truly small in the grand scheme of
> > > > > things,
> > > > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones. Believe me, the one
> > > thing
> > > > > that
> > > > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely
> > > creative
> > > > > in
> > > > > the solution department. We often miss it because we get so stuck
>in
> > > > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones that
>we
> > > can
> > > > > see and we shut the door on His creativity. This is a test. This
>is
> > > only
> > > > > a test. The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > > solution
> > > and
> > > > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
> > > > > possible. Good luck on your adventure. He is faithful. Your task
> > > is
> > > to
> > > > > remain patient and at peace! GRIN!
> > > > > Kathy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> > > > >>Hi all. As most of you know, i am getting married in november. I
> > > found
> > > > >>out
> > > > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of
> > > august.
> > > > >>I
> > > > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of our
> > > fiscal
> > > > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job. Problem is though, that
>my
> > > > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in
> > > september
> > > > >>or
> > > > >>october we would just live together until the wedding. We both
>don't
> > > > >>really
> > > > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice. I don't know what
>to
> > > do.
> > > > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong. Both my
> > > fiancee
> > > > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex before
> > > > >>marriage
> > > > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before
> > > marriage
> > > a
> > > > >>sin? Is it wrong? And what do i do if it is? I know of other
> > > christian
> > > > >>couples who have lived together before marriage. I am just so
> > > scattered
> > > > >>right now. Please pray for clarity for me? And above all, pray
>Gods
> > > will
> > > > >>be done.
> > > > >>I love you all.
> > > > >>Jenifer Barr.
> > > > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > >>msn
> > > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > >
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