Kathy,
Thanks for sharing. I can respect where you're coming from. And it must be
a very difficult place to have to be, pastor large congregation or small. I
would have thought that this particular situation would have been one of the
easier ones to have checked out though. Just glad help came from somewhere
for these folks. And when it comes right down to it, God is still our
source, even if he uses the rocks to help us out, just as he could elicit
praise from those same rocks.
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
> Okay, it sounds like we're up for our next round of bride
beating
> again: Christ's bride, that is. I don't think that you guys are being
> very fair. Being on the other side of the issue, I'd like to say a word
on
> the church's behalf. We get lots of those calls too and so far at least,
> every single one of them have been a hoax. How do I know? Because Greg
> takes from a few hours to a whole day to check them out before he will
give
> the person a yes or no answer. Every single one of the people who have
> contacted us, either feed us false information that leads down a lot of
> dead rabbit trails, or they are just trying to pull a scam. Poor George,
> in his need, is having to compete with that. In fact, from some
statistics
> that I've read, less than one in ten of the appeals made to a church are
> legitimate. Did you hire your pastor to be an investigater or a
> shepherd? Now, we've collected the names of a lot of para church
> ministries or government agencies to give to the people who ask for help
> and we don't give very often either unless the person is willing to take
> the time to let us get to know them well. We give to these agencies as
> well, recognizing that they are better equipped, because of their
> specializations, to deal with special needs, than we are. Even then,
> we've been burned a time or two.
> In our church history, about ten years ago now, there was a local
> family that came around at Christmas time with a real hard luck story.
The
> church and the Sunday school got together and gave them a really nice
> christmas. Guess what they discovered when they dropped everything
> off? This family had been making that appeal to all the local churches
> and, well, let's just say that they had a very over flowing Christmas with
> no apologies. when they came around the next year, it was very hard to
> turn them down in love and not be bitter. Thank God for His help in that
> one.
> You guys see George as a person in need, and he is! There's no
> doubt about that. You don't know what this church has been through in the
> past, however. We're called to be wise as serpants and gentle as
> doves. We're also called to be discerning and good stewards of what we've
> been entrusted with. I'm sorry that George got a bad wrap from this
church
> and I'm glad that God did provide the help for him elsewhere. How do you
> know that that wasn't God's plan all along to begin a relationship with
> Christ, for that chief, through the help of people like George, and
maybe
> Phil.
> Kathy, in defense of the Bride
>
> At 08:17 PM 2/25/2005, you wrote:
> >Not only did that chief provide the home, but he put his money where his
> >mouth is. Wonder if that would preach. Good thing I'm not of that
calling.
> >Ha.
> >
> >
> >Vicki
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:11 PM
> >Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] Church On The Move
> >
> >
> > > Vicki,
> > >
> > > Yes, the churches are related. The Denver pastor came from the church
in
> > > Tulsa. They run about 50 to 60 people here in Denver. the church in
> >Tulsa
> > > is quite large. Their websites are linked. This used to be one of
> >George's
> > > favorite preachers, too. I suppose, in all fairness, if George and
his
> >wife
> > > would have made an appointment to go see the pastor, maybe something
> > > different might have happened? No, forget that. It would have been
the
> > > same. I was in a big church once and they have several calls each day
> >like
> > > this and rarely do they stick their neck out for anybody and that is
true
> > > for nearly all their own members, too. I was accused of being
cynical.
> >Or
> > > is it the truth people are fearful of?
> > >
> > > Phil.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 6:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: George and family update
> > >
> > >
> > > > Was thinking about the religious background of the native American
> >peoples
> > > > and Cherokee tribe. Prayed that God would give them an extra
blessing.
> > > > Especially that chief.
> > > >
> > > > Phil. Was going to ask you if those church on the moves were
related.
> > > They
> > > > kind of did pattern after one another, didn't they, sadly.
> > > >
> > > > Vicki
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:56 PM
> > > > Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] George and family update
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Two major developments.
> > > > >
> > > > > First, the untreatable bacteria in Jennifer's lungs is slowly
> > > diminishing.
> > > > > So much so, that their doctor said it is time to stretch our
faith.
> >He
> > > > took
> > > > > Jennifer off her I V and said she could leave the hospital for one
> >week
> > > to
> > > > > see how she is doing. They called a local church in the Tulsa,
> >Oklahoma
> > > > > area with which they are familiar and that they buy tapes from
often
> > > > because
> > > > > the pastor is on the radio. The church is called Church On The
Move.
> > > > They
> > > > > explained that they were looking for a home or small house or even
a
> > > house
> > > > > trailer which they could possibly rent for a few weeks. They
> >explained
> > > > they
> > > > > were not employed at the moment because of the situation of round
the
> > > > clock
> > > > > care of their daughter and they explained they lived 100 miles
away
> >and
> > > > the
> > > > > doctor wanted them no more than 15 minutes away. This church said
> >they
> > > > only
> > > > > help members of their own church and couldn't help them. Wouldn't
> >help
> > > is
> > > > a
> > > > > better word to use I think. Anyhow, George's wife is half
Cherokee
> >and
> > > > she
> > > > > works in a local clinic back home. Vivian's sister works for the
> > > Cherokee
> > > > > tribe organization and the nation wrote them a check for 500
dollars
> > > > > recently. When the chief of the Cherokee nation learned they
needed a
> > > > > house, he gave them an address and told them they could live in
that
> > > house
> > > > > for as long as they needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wednesday, George was getting his hair cut in the hospital when
the
> >Lord
> > > > > spoke to him and said, I'm getting you a house. They were unaware
of
> > > the
> > > > > final arrangements by the chief of the Cherokee nation there in
that
> > > part
> > > > of
> > > > > Oklahoma. George went back to his daughter's room and his wife
said
> > > they
> > > > > has arrangements were finalized and they could live in it full
time
> >for
> > > as
> > > > > long as was needed.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the next couple of days, their doctor will be setting
everything up
> > > in
> > > > > the house that they will need to care for Jennifer and he will be
> > > sending
> > > > > his own people from his office who handle respatory therapy for
that
> > > part
> > > > of
> > > > > it when she needs it. If she does well the first week, he will
put
> >her
> > > > back
> > > > > in the hospital for observation and if that all goes well, he will
> > > expand
> > > > > her stay in the home to two weeks and so on.
> > > > >
> > > > > The house is exactly 13 minutes from the hospital and doctor said
no
> > > more
> > > > > than 15 minutes distance from the hospital. The house is two
stories
> > > with
> > > > a
> > > > > big garage and sits on a full acre of ground. It has a 50 foot by
15
> > > foot
> > > > > sun room on the back of the house and a deck which almost goes
half
> >way
> > > > > around the house. It is fully furnished. It is a house the
leader of
> > > the
> > > > > Cherokee was trying to sell which he owns but since the market is
> >slow,
> > > he
> > > > > took it off the market for now.
> > > > >
> > > > > Phil.
> > > > > I flew Kites With Jesus
> > > > > www.safeplacefellowship.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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