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Kathy,

No I'm not sorry to have asked. Firstly I understand your natural instinct 
to rescue and I know you know you are doing right, and you really are. I 
know you've probably gotten numb  from a lot of the antics and the 
innocence that has gotten lost in the process and yet I know as well it 
must be very hard for you and fam to watch  him hang on to that life. It 
sure is good he recognizes the hell he put you through and is gaining the 
respect for you guys too. That'll be nice to have the family all under one 
roof. Those are some long days for Greg, with  the responsibilities of the 
church when does he sleep. Thanks for the update I was wondering how Chris 
is doing. Perhaps he too will have a bit of renewing in thought having 
access to non-public plumbing and a nice secure calm roof over the head.

Brad


At 01:15 PM 12/18/2007, you wrote:
>That's okay, Brad, I knew what you meant.
>          Chris has his ups and downs.  He was over Sunday, during the 
> snow storm, for the day.  We were surprised to discover that the game was 
> actually broadcast on TV out here, so we had fun watching it together.
>         Unfortunately, Chris's drug use has caught up with him and he has 
> pretty much done a number on his brane.  He had two psychotic breaks this 
> summer and is now taking anti-psychotic and anti-depressant   medication, 
> so that's something knew.  He won't give up smoking pot, which doesn't 
> react well with the prescription drugs, so, there you have it.  He's been 
> living in homeless shelters since August, except for the two times that 
> he spent in the mental hospital. That was fun. NOT!     He was kicked out 
> of the first homeless shelter, the better one, for smoking pot right out 
> side the door.  Now, he's in a pretty crowded one, but he gets one meal a 
> day and he usually gets a bed.
>         We can't have him at home, to live, partly because of Caleb and 
> Liz.  Plus, the second time that he ended up in the hospital, he was held 
> there because he had stabbed himself, making him a bit unsafe in the 
> home.  By being homeless, many government social agencies step in to try 
> to help him find a job and a stable environment.  As a mother, it's 
> really hard to fight against the desire to rescue, but it really is in 
> his best interest for us to let him work out his problems himself at 
> present.  We will have him out for a day, on the weekend, he will often 
> attend church, but the rest of the week, he stays hanging out in down 
> town Bangor.
>         Our relationship with him has really been getting pretty 
> good.  He has apologized many times now for the hell that he put us 
> through a few years ago.  We have good discussions about God and 
> life.  He respects us tremendously now, which as you know, helps a great 
> deal in the healing process.  He can still be caught in lies and he still 
> tries to use us from time to time.  We still don't trust him and we still 
> keep a safe distance in a lot of situations.
>         Thursday, Matt is supposed to be flying home from Grand 
> Rapids.  It will be the first time that we have seen him since June of 
> 2006, except for at my dad's funeral in January.  It will be the first 
> time that we will have been altogether, as a family since 2005.  We are 
> hoping that Chris can come to stay with us Christmas eve and through 
> Christmas day.  Both boys will have to leave the day after 
> Christmas.  Matt will fly back to try to get extra work at Wendies, to 
> try to make up for the time off while out here.  Chris has started 
> working at a bakery for about 30 hours a week.  Both boys will leave 
> around 3:30 am. Wednesday morning, but I do hope that I get my 36 hours 
> of having the family together for Christmas.
>         We've had more stress added too because the person that Greg subs 
> for at the post office pulled a muscle and will be off work for at least 
> a month.  That isn't very good news for a pastor, when you consider that 
> this is one of our busiest times of the year in ministry as well.  Greg 
> has been putting in 10 and 12 hour days at the post office on top of 
> everything else.  What we are praying is that he will end up working 
> enough to finally get all of these car repairs paid off and off our back 
> so that we don't have to deal with it any more.  Of course, that means 
> that we also have to pray that it won't break down again.
>         I bet you're sorry you asked about Chris, arent you?  You really 
> just got an ear full, and so did everybody else!  Sorry about that.
>God bless,
>Kathy
>
>
>
>At 11:17 AM 12/18/2007, you wrote:
>>Hmmm a Freudian slip considering the holiday I guess :) Was suppose to be 
>>Chris haha.
>>
>>At 08:19 AM 12/18/2007, you wrote:
>>>Kathy,
>>>
>>>:) I agree. Yet another record for him to pile on, at least one win over 
>>>the boys in Dallas  before he retires. I know your boy Chris use to be 
>>>into the Pack, has he been following at all? How is he doing? Thought 
>>>about him the ohter day.
>>>
>>>Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>At 05:41 AM 12/18/2007, you wrote:
>>>>Brad,
>>>>Brett is O & 9, against the Cowboys.  It's time to change that!
>>>>Kathy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>At 05:58 PM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>Unfortunately that is right, well I don't know about "never" winning 
>>>>>Dallas, however, did you know the Cowboys field  has got a slope to 
>>>>>it, I can't recall exactly probably a quadrant  pitch to it which 
>>>>>makes it more difficult for quarterbacks to judge the throw. Anyway... 
>>>>>Bret? I still have hope and confidence so if you happened ot be subbed 
>>>>>to this list, never mind Doubting Kathy  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>At 12:53 PM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>Because, Brett has never won against the Cowboys yet.  He goes nuts 
>>>>>>when he plays against them and starts throwing bad passes and 
>>>>>>everything.  It was almost a blessing that he was injured in their 
>>>>>>last match up and Aaron Rogers took over, or who knows how bad the 
>>>>>>score would have been.  That's why I doubt!  However, I would love to 
>>>>>>see the Packers and the Patriots go head to head again, so I keep 
>>>>>>hoping against my doubts!
>>>>>>Kathy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>At 10:33 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Oh you of little faith... why do you doubt :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>At 05:07 AM 12/17/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>Brad,
>>>>>>>>Do you think that that's enough to get him there?  He still has to 
>>>>>>>>face the Cowboys again.
>>>>>>>>Kathy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At 08:40 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Spoken like a true doubting Thomas :). He's got yet another record 
>>>>>>>>>to beat... longest time between super bowls as  winning quarterback :).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brad
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>At 07:18 PM 12/16/2007, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Okay, I realize that there are grieving Denver fans among you, 
>>>>>>>>>>but, Whoohoo!  the Pack did it again! The Rams 14 and the Pack 
>>>>>>>>>>33!  I'm pretty sure that we won't make it to the super bowl, but 
>>>>>>>>>>the victories  are fun while they last.
>>>>>>>>>>Kathy
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Brad Dunse
>>>>>>>>>http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes 
>>>>>>>>>or contact me if you are interested in a calendar date. Comments 
>>>>>>>>>are always encouraged and appreciated in the guest book area. Also 
>>>>>>>>>feel free to sign up to the newsletter to receive an occasional 
>>>>>>>>>performance update. Its easy as pie, your address stays with us, 
>>>>>>>>>and we won't pound you with mail either I promise... no worry!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brad Dunse
>>>>>>>http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes 
>>>>>>>or contact me if you are interested in a calendar date. Comments are 
>>>>>>>always encouraged and appreciated in the guest book area. Also feel 
>>>>>>>free to sign up to the newsletter to receive an occasional 
>>>>>>>performance update. Its easy as pie, your address stays with us, and 
>>>>>>>we won't pound you with mail either I promise... no worry!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Brad Dunse
>>>>>http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>>>>>
>>>>>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes or 
>>>>>contact me if you are interested in a calendar date. Comments are 
>>>>>always encouraged and appreciated in the guest book area. Also feel 
>>>>>free to sign up to the newsletter to receive an occasional performance 
>>>>>update. Its easy as pie, your address stays with us, and we won't 
>>>>>pound you with mail either I promise... no worry!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Brad Dunse
>>>http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>>>
>>>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes or 
>>>contact me if you are interested in a calendar date. Comments are always 
>>>encouraged and appreciated in the guest book area. Also feel free to 
>>>sign up to the newsletter to receive an occasional performance update. 
>>>Its easy as pie, your address stays with us, and we won't pound you with 
>>>mail either I promise... no worry!
>>
>>
>>
>>Brad Dunse
>>http://www.braddunsemusic.com
>>
>>Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes or 
>>contact me if you are interested in a calendar date. Comments are always 
>>encouraged and appreciated in the guest book area. Also feel free to sign 
>>up to the newsletter to receive an occasional performance update. Its 
>>easy as pie, your address stays with us, and we won't pound you with mail 
>>either I promise... no worry!



Brad Dunse
http://www.braddunsemusic.com

Check out my site, take a look, have a listen to some sample tunes or 
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as pie, your address stays with us, and we won't pound you with mail either 
I promise... no worry!

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