Trembling Ka'ka'ka' kathy,

The books on NLS are all formatted in brf, I believe it is probably a 
smaller file, as in a zip file, to transfer and store, thus making it 
easier on the servers and bandwidth,  plus I think it gives somewhat of an 
additional measure of security in not having unauthorized folks getting 
ahold of the files and abuse the copyright waiver, but the latter is just 
my opinion. And I'll tell you from having downloaded books from bookshare, 
the NLS books are perfectly scanned and edited while bookshare is not. 
There are some good ones yes, but I've also gotten some I couldn't read 
without getting dizzy listening to the speech ramblewordstogeteher haha, 
that was ramble words together.  There are no quality controls on 
bookshare but I think for the most part folks only post books that are 
readable. Did that do it? anymore questions I can confuse you... help you 
with.
Brad





on 02:05 PM 5/22/2006, Kathy Du Bois said:

Okay, Brad,  I'm beginning to feel like Abraham bargaining with God for 
Sodom and Gamorah.  One more question, if you can bear it.  If you don't 
want to produce the book in braille, then why not just get the book from 
book share or scan it or something where it is already in a readable 
format for your screen reader?  Why bother with the braille at all?
She asked, humbly, trembling with eyes lowered.
kaka ka Kathy

At 01:19 PM 5/22/2006, you wrote:
Kathy,

If you don't convert a brf file to txt, it looks similar to my typing 
without using a spell checker, all coded garble. Converting it from 
braille format to text allows me to use the English language quite well 
which I've grown sort of fond of over the years *sarcastic little grin*

Brad

on 08:53 AM 5/22/2006, Kathy Du Bois said:

Brad,
Then, if your screen reader is just  going to read it anyway, why bother 
having it converted to braille?  You know, I'm wondering if I'm really 
asking some stupid questions, but, they say, the only stupid question is 
the one you don't ask, so, I'm asking because I can't seem to win either 
way.  GRIN!
Kathy



At 11:03 PM 5/21/2006, you wrote:
Kathy,

I download the brf file, Use a program called WinTrans to convert it to a 
txt file where the computer reads it out just like you are reading now.

Brad
on 06:59 PM 5/21/2006, Kathy Du Bois said:

Brad,
If its braille, how do you read it?  Do you have a braille display?  I 
only have a monitor, but I do have a braille blazer an I wouldn't even 
want to think of having that thing print out a book.  It is so noisy.  We 
always say, "mom's makin' pop corn," when it runs.  It drives me nuts.
Kathy
Kathy


At 04:03 PM 5/21/2006, you wrote:
Nope. Just view them on my computer and I convert it to text using 
WinTrans. A free program.

Brad


on 06:58 AM 5/20/2006, Kathy Du Bois said:

Hey, Question to those of you who use web braille,
Do you use a braille blazer to print out what you down load, or some other 
device?
Kathy

At 07:21 PM 5/19/2006, you wrote:
Thanks Jen. I'll do that. I figured there was a way... just got to know 
the right folks *smile*.

Brad


on 09:51 AM 5/19/2006, Jenifer Gilley said:

Hi all.  you can save the web braille file without going through all of 
the translating and stuff.  Do the following.  **following excerpted from 
faq**

Q1. Is there an easy way to download Web-Braille (.brf) files with 
Internet Explorer?

A1. If your Internet Explorer opens .brf files and you would prefer to 
have the option of downloading these files without opening them first, one 
way to
do this is to create a registered file type for .brf file extensions.

For all versions of Windows:
List of 13 items (contains 3 nested lists)
. 1. Open My Computer or Windows Explorer.
. 2. Do an alt-v (Windows 95 and 98) to open the View menu or an alt-t 
(Windows ME, 2000, and XP) to open the Tools menu.
. 3. Select "options" or "folder options".
. 4. You will be presented with a tabbed dialog box. Press the tab key 
until you reach the tab controls and right arrow twice to reach the "file 
types"
tab.
. 5. Tab until you reach "new..." or "new type..." and press enter.

For Windows 95 and 98:
. 6. Tab through the fields and fill in the following:
List of 3 items nesting level 1
. A. Description of type: Here you can enter whatever you like, these are 
the words you will see on the file types list. One possibility is: 
"formatted
braille file".
. B. Associated Extension: brf
. c. Content Type: application
list end nesting level 1

For Windows Me, 2000 and XP:
. 6. Tab through the fields and fill in the following:
List of 3 items nesting level 1
. a. For "file extension" type "brf".
. B. tab to "advanced" and press enter. You will be in the "file type 
associations" combo box.
. C. Start typing the word "application" fairly quickly and when you reach 
appl, you should land on it. Tab to ok and press enter. Tab to close and 
press
enter.
list end nesting level 1

For all versions of Windows:
Once you have created a file type for .brf files, if you want to be able 
to view the file online, you will need to specify an action. If you don't 
wish
to specify an action at this time, tab to "close" and press enter.

For Windows 95 and 98:
. 7. Keep tabbing until you reach "action" and then tab once more to 
"new...".

For Windows ME, 2000, and XP:
. 7. Tab until you reach the registered files type listview and be sure 
the brf file type is highloighted.

For Windows ME and 2000:
. 8. Tab until you reach "Advanced" and press enter. Then tab until you 
reach "action" and then tab once more to "new...".

For all versions of Windows, except XP:
. 9. Press enter on "new" and fill in the following two fields:
List of 3 items nesting level 1
. A. Action: open
. B. Application to perform action: (here you can put in any editor that 
you would like to use. If you don't know what to put in, try: "C:\program 
files\accessories\wordpad.exe"
"%1" Be sure to use the quotes, they are important.

For Windows XP
. 9. Tab until you reach "Change..." and press enter. You will be in a 
treeview of "Programs". Press the first letter of the program you want, 
such as "n"
for "Notepad" or "w" for "Wordpad".
list end nesting level 1
. 10. Tab to ok and press enter.
. 11. Tab to close and press enter. You are back in the options dialog 
box.
list end

Now when you select a .brf file while in Internet Explorer, you will be 
prompted to either "save this file to disk" or "open this file in its 
current location".
You can also designate the directory where you would like the file saved.


hope this helps.
Jenifer gilley
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remembering how to fly."
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