Each situation is different, and each father holds his own feelings
regarding whatever situation with which he is faced. I am sure none would
harm either if such can at all be avoided. But, not all who are treated
feel as do we. I am sure if there are those Christians who feel the soul
enters the body at first breath, would have no true difficulty choosing
between the two. We must ask the fathers of these dear children to choose,
however. Because we aren't to foist our judgments on them, when it is
between their consciences and God to decide. In the end they and God will
deal with whatever decision is made regardless.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>I personally believe that life starts when an egg is dertilized. as a human
>being it is holy the same as every other creature god created.
>
> I differ from angel only in that I do not think it right to have a father
> be forced to decide between the life of his wife and his unborn child when
> that is god's decision in the first place.
>
> Love,
>
> Doris
>
>
>
>
> At 04:18 PM 2014/03/05 -0600, you wrote:
>>I'm just really curious, not trying to be a smart ass here, but have they
>>figured out, yet, when does life begin? When does the soul enter the
>>fetus? Is it immediately at conception, or, could it possibly be when that
>>child actually takes it's first breath? I ask this, because It says in
>>Genesis that Adam became a living being when God breathed into him the
>>breath of life. I can't say I believe either way, but I have friends who
>>actually believe that the person doesn't be come a total living person
>>with a soul until they take their first breath of life.
>>
>>Bev
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:15 PM
>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>
>>
>>>What we are talking about here is the circumventing of the religious
>>>freedom of others not to pay for what it is they don't believe. Upon
>>>religious freedom was what this country was founded. It is the same as
>>>our president saying ministers and priests, and caterers, and hotel
>>>owners have to accommodate by law same sex couples against their
>>>religious principles. Upon the point of punishment. While at the same
>>>time saying Moslems shouldn't be let go from their jobs. If they, for
>>>their religious reasons refuse to deliver alcohol in the trucks they
>>>drive. Why should businesses which hire them allow for their religious
>>>preference when they don't allow solid Christian people the same right?
>>>Gods first commandment to mankind was to "be fruitful and to multiply.
>>> From the time an egg is fertilized in the womb it is a person. With the
>>> same rights as any of us. God told Jeremiah he knew him while he was
>>> still in the womb. Do you think his knowledge extended to him alone? I
>>> don't. When a man and woman engage in sexual congress with each other
>>> there are three involved in that union. The man, the woman, and God.
>>> It is he who decides whether fertilization ought to take place, and has
>>> a soul prepared for all whom he wishes to live on this earth. Along
>>> with a guardian angel to protect him from harm at all times. There are
>>> those who have been fortunate enough to have seen their angels. I know
>>> such a person. Just ask Phil concerning his dear grand son. His
>>> personal angel must have been there watching over him from the time he
>>> was beaten till the glorious day he made a full recovery. God has a
>>> plan for each of us, and cares enough for each of us to see we will have
>>> all we need.
>>>Jesus said as much when he pointed out the lily's of the field, and their
>>>beauty, and said God knew the smallest thing concerning each of us. We
>>>know this because he gave his only begotten son that we might not die the
>>>death of sinners, and be separated from his divine presence for eternity.
>>>If we acknowledge this. Who are we to assume we know better than does
>>>he, and use some artificial means to attempt to thwart his divine plan
>>>for our progeny. Hasn't he done so much for us that we need to make his
>>>job of carrying out his sovereign will more difficult for him. Why would
>>>we even think of trying to second guess a God who sacrificed so much for
>>>us. Or why would we force people who do believe this to pay for others
>>>to try to thwart Gods will.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:00 PM
>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>
>>>
>>>>Amen. I am not sure I will ever become a catholic but I surely find my
>>>>own faith a lot more reflected in catholicism than with fundamentalist
>>>>evangelical teaching.
>>>>
>>>>should i even mention this: I do not view the birth control bill as
>>>>abortion as this is imo dublicating a natural process of a human - even
>>>>fertilized - egg not taking to nesting in the womb and growing to term.
>>>>
>>>>hugs,
>>>>
>>>>Doris
>>>>
>>>>At 10:20 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>No they aren't in conflict. I think our origins are irrelevant to me.
>>>>>Understanding our origins will not, as far as I can tell, assist me in
>>>>>my successful journey toward heaven. So, why should I care either way.
>>>>>I understand we share common elements because we share life with lower
>>>>>animals and with plants. It is our commonality which causes us to
>>>>>interact so smoothly with domestic animals. who make our lives easier
>>>>>by working for us. An example of which is the Guide dog or guide
>>>>>horse. Or those dogs used to herd animals. Thus making our human work
>>>>>and lleasure easier. Studding what we hold in common with lower animals
>>>>>and plants also makes it an easier thing to more perfectly understand
>>>>>ourselves.
>>>>>Which is why medical science was able to make the progress it did
>>>>>before it was legal to dissect the human cadaver. Thus the commonality
>>>>>we share with lower creatures and with plants was designed to provide
>>>>>for us a more perfect understanding of how it was God created us all.
>>>>>It also gives to us a more perfect understanding of our intellectual
>>>>>processes. Because each fully formed concept goes through a similar
>>>>>creative process as God expressed when he created the universe. Which
>>>>>is why we are created in Gods image. As we are the only creatures with
>>>>>the ability to understand and to use intellect, and to create as does
>>>>>He. This is why Satan can only get his will to be done on earth.
>>>>>Because he can only do so through manipulation of us through the use of
>>>>>the human weaknesses, and ignorance with which we are all plagued. As
>>>>>he needs us to partner with him.
>>>>>He can not create as can we.
>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:00 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>actually, we share 98.7 % of the same dna according to francis
>>>>>>collins. *g*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for me, my faith and my interest in evolution are no conflict. are
>>>>>>they for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>hugs,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Doris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for At 06:21 AM 2014/03/04 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>>>>Why do the grate apes live on bananas and aren't diabetic or
>>>>>>>depressed? The grate apes have 97 percent of human DNA. So, they can
>>>>>>>properly be chosen as examples. Why, when we domesticate animals are
>>>>>>>they infected by all sorts of human diseases unknown to them in the
>>>>>>>wild? One should never depend on personal likes and dislikes to
>>>>>>>determine what one eats. Rather one should only eat what is best for
>>>>>>>the optimal functioning of our bodies and our brains. One should
>>>>>>>never burden our internal organs with unnecessary work. As we do when
>>>>>>>we eat more sugar than our cells can properly absorb. Because as all
>>>>>>>things die, too much overwork can cause organs to prematurely die
>>>>>>>before the rest of our bodies do. We wouldn't ask our friends or our
>>>>>>>family to do more work than they can safely and healthily do.
>>>>>>>Particularly if they are as good to us as are our internal organs.
>>>>>>>Then why should we expect our liver or our kidneys or pancreas to do
>>>>>>>more work than they need to do to keep our bodies functioning? Since
>>>>>>>I heard of more and more people being somehow drug dependent, and
>>>>>>>having to depend for their existence on physicians, and getting type
>>>>>>>II diabetes I have asked myself these questions.
>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 11:30 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>strawberries, grapes and bananas, while healthy in their own right
>>>>>>>>in moderation, are rich in fast carbs and thus not the kind of food
>>>>>>>>a diabetic should have a lot of.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>a lot of things simply take a while for the body to adjust to. it
>>>>>>>>does with me. I always went potty more than once a day but doing it
>>>>>>>>a lot more often now. *g* chris is watching my input and output and
>>>>>>>>while I am quite productive currently, it is not the runs. If you
>>>>>>>>want to live healthily, you will just have to teach your body to
>>>>>>>>like what is good for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This does work as i did it once before long before I was diabetic to
>>>>>>>>ward off a chronic candida (yeast) infection where I was allergic to
>>>>>>>>several of the antifungal grugs used.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>praying for you!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Doris and chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>At 09:35 PM 2014/03/03 -0600, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>I have to ask, what kinds of foods make a person feel more full? I
>>>>>>>>>know I eat way too much carbs, but I don't seem to know what else
>>>>>>>>>to eat. I like vegetables, but raw vegetables seem to give me more
>>>>>>>>>tummy issues than they're worth. I'm having a horrible time knowing
>>>>>>>>>what to eat. I don't like much in the way of fresh fruit. I do like
>>>>>>>>>apples, grapes and strawberries, but there aren't many other fresh
>>>>>>>>>fruits I like.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bev
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 10:23 PM
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Hi, Phil,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Oh, the many things I learned to enjoy and eat while in the
>>>>>>>>>>hospital have me full and not craving any sweets and I have been
>>>>>>>>>>losing weight. Some of my clothes now seem almost like a before
>>>>>>>>>>and after commercial from some fad diet but they are not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>some of you have been personal friends and prayer partners for
>>>>>>>>>>many years. if things do get personal, I likewise will use pm but
>>>>>>>>>>with my diabetes, i am encouraged to learn different people;s
>>>>>>>>>>experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>since i never liked most sweets I should be fine. oh, and in
>>>>>>>>>>germany, traditionally with most people the main meal is eaten
>>>>>>>>>>around midday.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>praying for just the right job or volunteer opportunity for ms
>>>>>>>>>>sandy and a contued gute besserung according to gods will for the
>>>>>>>>>>both of you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>hugs,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Doris and chris
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>At 08:58 PM 2014/03/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>Doris,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We can easily work something out. Does Germany have more than
>>>>>>>>>>>one time zone
>>>>>>>>>>>like the states having 4 time zones? According to my iPhone,
>>>>>>>>>>>Berlin is 8
>>>>>>>>>>>hours ahead of the Mountain Time Zone which I am in. I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>know where you live from
>>>>>>>>>>>Berlin's. I'm guessing therefore, we are 7 or 8 hours apart and
>>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>>am behind you in time, of course. I'd enjoy talking to Chris as
>>>>>>>>>>>well and
>>>>>>>>>>>praying together, for that matter, too. I'm posting openly on
>>>>>>>>>>>the list so
>>>>>>>>>>>others can participate but otherwise, when things become more
>>>>>>>>>>>personal, I'll
>>>>>>>>>>>write privately offlist. I haven't been on my diabetes oral
>>>>>>>>>>>medication for
>>>>>>>>>>>3 weeks due to my weight loss and my low carb style of eating. I
>>>>>>>>>>>have done
>>>>>>>>>>>no exercising other than walking which I just started a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>days ago.
>>>>>>>>>>>So, I lost 50 pounds in 5 months without being hungry and without
>>>>>>>>>>>exercising. Now I'm on the second half of my diet and off the
>>>>>>>>>>>medication
>>>>>>>>>>>for the high blood sugar so we can talk more about that later. I
>>>>>>>>>>>have been
>>>>>>>>>>>checking my sugar levels with my talking glucomitor a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>times each
>>>>>>>>>>>day to make sure nothing gets out of control but I know now what
>>>>>>>>>>>I can eat,
>>>>>>>>>>>and not eat, to control the numbers. My sugar levels are normal
>>>>>>>>>>>and have
>>>>>>>>>>>been these last few weeks. I go to my doctor in a week for an
>>>>>>>>>>>A1C blood
>>>>>>>>>>>test but the levels have been normal for the past two years so he
>>>>>>>>>>>moved me
>>>>>>>>>>>from 3 months to 6 months apart for the A1C test to gives them
>>>>>>>>>>>the accurate
>>>>>>>>>>>reading over any period of time. My blood sugar levels were in
>>>>>>>>>>>the high
>>>>>>>>>>>rage during the 3 days I was in the hospital because they were
>>>>>>>>>>>giving me
>>>>>>>>>>>steroids to assist in the healing of my spine so they gave me
>>>>>>>>>>>shots to help
>>>>>>>>>>>keep it down during those 3 days but otherwise, I've had nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>I can eat
>>>>>>>>>>>a lot of food because some foods have no carbohydrates at all and
>>>>>>>>>>>some foods
>>>>>>>>>>>even help cancel out other foods you are eating with high carbs
>>>>>>>>>>>content. I'm sure others
>>>>>>>>>>>on the list who are diabetics can testify to similar experiences.
>>>>>>>>>>>About 5
>>>>>>>>>>>years ago, when Vicki's husband John had open heart surgery, my
>>>>>>>>>>>blood sugar
>>>>>>>>>>>was in the 300 range. Now it runs about 107 to 110 unless I eat
>>>>>>>>>>>a meal that
>>>>>>>>>>>is elevated with high carbs and then it may jump 2 hours later to
>>>>>>>>>>>155. It
>>>>>>>>>>>quickly drops back down, however, to 102 to 110 after those two
>>>>>>>>>>>hours of
>>>>>>>>>>>digestion of what I ate. To my amazement, I don't crave food
>>>>>>>>>>>except upon occasion and even then, only for brief periods of
>>>>>>>>>>>time. Sometimes I forget to eat our evening meal all together.
>>>>>>>>>>>We eat our main meal at noon because Sandy used to go to work in
>>>>>>>>>>>the middle of the afternoon so we have gotten used to having a
>>>>>>>>>>>big meal for our lunch at the noon hour. I've heard people say
>>>>>>>>>>>they forget to eat but I never believed it was possible until it
>>>>>>>>>>>began happening to me since June first of this year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Doris and Chris"
>>>>>>>>>>><[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2014 7:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Prayer - Attention Doris
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>that would be wonderful and any time we are not sleeping would
>>>>>>>>>>>>work. we
>>>>>>>>>>>>would like for Chris to be included in prayer sessions as it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>him who is
>>>>>>>>>>>>facing a lot of responsibility with my diabetes and often does
>>>>>>>>>>>>not feel or
>>>>>>>>>>>>is not up to it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Love in Christ,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Doris
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>At 02:08 PM 2014/03/02 -0700, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sandy is getting better each day but it is a slow process. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>come out to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my office often during most of the day and evening because she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>can get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>around using her walker and she has learned to walk without the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>walker for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>short distances. Whenever she needs me, since my office is on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>opposite side of our home, she just calls me on our cell phones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and I come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>running. I'm suggesting, therefore, we can work something out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>on skype to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>pray and talk sooner than I thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Phil.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I Was Perfect Until I Met Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>><http://www.SafePlaceFellowship.com>www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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