if o/t sorry.  but chris's question got me thinking.  I have 2 nephews and
someday probably will have kids myself.  And i've never changed a diaper!
Isn't that sad!  LOL i feel so stupid!
Jenifer Barr.
Dear God: I have a problem.  It's me.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Schwery" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: Serious Prayer Request Tonight


> Chris, here are some suggestions.  When putting a coat on a little one,
> take the little ones hand or wrist, rather than the arm, so you don't have
> to worry about the hand flopping around when guiding it into the
> sleeve.  As for tying shoes, you could have the child stand in the shoes
> with his back facing you so his shoes would be facing the same direction
> as
> your shoes.
>
> earlier, Chris Gilland, wrote:
>>Unluckally, only one.
>>
>>
>>Tonight was a really stressful night.  There were some things I got to do
>>tonight, I'd rather not say what, but that I never thought I'd ever have
>>the
>>chance to do.  It's nothing bad at all, just generally some things.  Only
>>problem is, my sister inlaw completely trusted, and still does trust me,
>>however, Kristin mother went as far as to think I was actually purposely
>>hurting my little neece.  I'll say no more than that.  I told her, I'm not
>>that stupid.  Kaitlyn is so precious to me, I love her like my own.  I
>>would
>>never hurt her.  I couldn;t if I had to.  I won't say what I did, but I'll
>>at least say this much:  I am fully convinced now, that if I ever have
>>kids,
>>I would be a good father to them.  There are some things I just had to see
>>where I really stood on, and I thus tonight, with both the help of my
>>wife,
>>and with God's mercy, and help, was able to determine, that my grounds are
>>very Godly.  I honest surprised not only myself, but I think I surprised
>>my
>>sister inlaw too.  There were some things that we had to help with, and
>>Kristin had asked Emily, my sister inlaw, if I could at least try to help
>>on
>>my own.  Here is the funny thing.  Kristin's mom was like absolutely not,
>>however Emily right away without hesitating was like, sure.  In fact she
>>went as far as to say, tonight, Chris, you and Kristin are the parents
>>while
>>we're here.  I'm stepping back.  I'll help if needed, but consider this a
>>test.  I wanna see how you all would react in certain instances.  I'll
>>admit, boy, I never knew taking care of a kid could be so hard!  Fun, but
>>hard!  I'm a bit warn out, so I think I'll end now, but honestly, I know
>>this is asking for it to ask this question, but if it were not for
>>finances,
>>and things, do you think just assuming that God provided the money, and
>>bills and such, if that wasn't an issue, hypotheticly speaking, that I
>>would
>>be a good parent?  I've heard mixed comments on this.  I've heard some
>>say,
>>if they were me, they'd not trying in a million years, but I've heard
>>others
>>say I'm much too hard on myself, I'd make an excellent father.  I know a
>>lot
>>of you all haven't viewed face to face my home living skills as far as
>>independence, and what not, but based on things I have told you all, both
>>on
>>and off list, do you think it's even possible, or do you think I'd be
>>somewhat of a problem.
>>
>>I want the truth.  I mean, obviously tonight I think I surprised everyone
>>including myself.  I did much better with handling things than I
>>suspected.
>>I'll say this much for those of you that know what I do mean...  I've not
>>factering in my OCD.  That has nothing to do with the things that had to
>>be
>>done tonight.  Nothing like that, just things in general.  Like some
>>again,
>>I don't wanna name, just as it would take too long to explain the idea
>>behind it as they are kind of family type rituals.  For one though, I had
>>a
>>realy big pitcher of apple juice.  Kaitlyn wanted some.  I was reluctant,
>>for one, to pour it, as I knew with my mild CP it would make my hands
>>tremble like crazy, and I'd probably drop it.  Well, I care so much for
>>her,
>>I did it, just for her, even though I didn't really want to.  Well, guess
>>what.  I did it!  Not even one droplet spilling.  Then, she needed help at
>>one point putting on her coat.  Well, I've never dressed a kid, much less
>>put a coat or something on one, so I knew being she's in front of me, I
>>gotta think backwards, that kind a worried me a bit, that I couldn;'t do
>>it.
>>Well, I did.  I was a bit lopsided, but Kristin told me it was a good
>>start,
>>that I was awefully close.  Here's though where I had the biggest problem,
>>and if any of you all currently have little ones, maybe you could try to
>>write out the mistakes you made from a blind perspective, and why it was
>>made, so that I could learn from it, and maybe talk me through it for the
>>future.  Kaitlyn's only 2.  I think that's real important for me to say up
>>front, so that you all can get a feel for her size.  Well, I grabbed the
>>coat with one hand, and with the other grabbed her arm nearst to her
>>elbow.
>>I tried to put her arm through but my problem was just like with a shirt,
>>trying to find exactly how to feel where the arm hole was to line up her
>>arm.  Then, I was really scared I was going to push too hard on her arm
>>trying to get it in, and then hurt her.  Kristin finally had to take over
>>at
>>that task and finnish it off as I just got too jumpy.  I think this is
>>certainly something I could have done.  It is just that there are two
>>problems:  one is, again, me having to be so gentle that I couldn't get
>>enough good leverage.  The other thing was again, since she was facing me,
>>that meant her right was my left, her left was my right.  In other words,
>>I
>>had to do everything backwards.  like I had to at one time tonight help
>>her
>>tie her shoes.  Well, I did a wonderful job, except one issue:  I tied
>>them
>>as if they were on me.  Kristin took one look and she's like, well, you
>>did
>>it, except that they're tied upside down.  I don't know how on earth
>>someone
>>is supposed to do that backwards.  It's hard enough to have me do it
>>correctly, much less flip flopping everything.  A friend suggested that
>>next
>>time, if I ever am put where I have to dress her or tie her shoe, etc.
>>have
>>her sit on my lap with the back of her head facing my face.  This way
>>we're
>>both sitting facing the same direction.  However, most others have said,
>>yeah, that's a thought, however, the problem there is, I wouldn't have a
>>good feel as the angle would be way off.  When you all have to tie a kid's
>>shoe, for example:  among other things, how do you all do it sighted or
>>not,
>>since you have to do it backwards.  Anyway, there's my scary night for
>>yall.
>>LOL!
>>
>>
>>Chris.
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 7:32 PM
>>Subject: Re: Serious Prayer Request Tonight
>>
>>
>> > Chris,
>> >
>> > Well, there's one relief off your mind.
>> >
>> > Vicki
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Chris Gilland" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 6:24 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Serious Prayer Request Tonight
>> >
>> >
>> >> Thank God!
>> >>
>> >> No no, I mean, wo, hold it, don't get me wrong, no no, I don't mean I
>> > won't
>> >> still pray.  I still will.  It's just that I'm releaved that it isn't
>> >> someone that I am really really patheticly close to.  I've already
>> >> lost
>> >> Hope, I couldn't stand losing someone else.
>> >>
>> >> OK, I didn't lose Hope by death, and believe me if I did, I'd not be
>> >> here
>> >> now writing this either, but that kind a talk will stop right there.
>> >>
>> >> I just... I dunno.
>> >>
>> >> Chris sighs.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe I'm just crazy, yeah, I guess that's it.  O well.  I'd rather be
>> > crazy
>> >> than stupid.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Chris.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:08 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: Serious Prayer Request Tonight
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Chris,
>> >> >
>> >> > It's Phil's friend George in Oklahoma, whose daughter's name is
>> > Jennifer.
>> >> > Not the Jennifer on echurch list.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vicki
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Chris Gilland" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 5:56 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Serious Prayer Request Tonight
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> O my God!  Please God tell me this isn't Jennefer Bar we're talking
>> >> >> about!
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 7:43 PM
>> >> >> Subject: Re: Serious Prayer Request Tonight
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I'm late seeing this but will pray just the same.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Vicki
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:20 PM
>> >> >> > Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] Serious Prayer Request Tonight
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> George called me today.  Two national labs have discovered
>> >> >> >> Jennifer,
>> >> > his
>> >> >> > 23
>> >> >> >> year old daughter, has a bacteria in her lungs which cannot be
>> > treated
>> >> > by
>> >> >> >> any known antibiotic.  She is officially off, therefore, the
>> >> >> >> list
>> > for
>> >> >> >> a
>> >> >> > lung
>> >> >> >> transplant.  Only a miracle will save her life.  Since we
>> >> >> >> believe
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> miracles, exercise your God given authority against this
>> >> >> >> bacteria
>> > and
>> >> >> >> command it to die just like Jesus did the fig tree.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Phil.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I Flew Kites With Jesus
>> >> >> >> www.safeplacefellowship.com
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message.
>> >> >> >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>> >> >> >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date:
>> >> >> >> 2/10/05
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>
> John
>
>   Why should I grow up ? This is more fun !
>