Vinny that was well said and a thorough sumation of the way I feel too. One
question is why do some think it's absolutely necessary to be physically
healed? I've heard it all my life about how sad and pitiful my life is this
way. I disagree.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vinny Samarco" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: spiritual abuse


    Hi Everyone,
I absolutely believe in the phenominon ofspiritual abuse.  I have seen lots
of it in many
areas.
I don't know that I want to share my story, because it opens up a big can of
worms.  However, God told me I had to forgive those preachers which were
thinking they could heal me, in order to put another notch in their gun
belt, so-to-speak.

The major problem with all this, is that the devil has been trying to work
overtime in our lives against any belief in healing.
Let's look at this strictly from a logical point of view.
1.  Jesus healed blindness and many other disabilities. 2.  He told his
disciples to heal the sick, raise the dead etc. 3. He told his disciples
that they would even do greater works than he did.
Now here is the questions we all must answer.
Where is it in the bible that Jesus said that all healing and signs and
wonders, and gifts of the spirit would cease after the book of Acts and the
early church?
Well, there is no such scripture.  That doctrine is a doctrine of man and of
devils.
Therefore, everyone, inspite at the abuse we have all suffered under the
hands of well-meaning, and not-so-well-meaning preachers, yet, healing and
everything else God promised in His word, is for today.
The Devill has used all this garbage we have gone through, to discourage us
into believing that there is no healing or baptism in the spirit, or
anything else.
Now, though I believe in healing, I believ contrary to the healing
preachers, for the Lord heals, not the preachers.  So I prefer to leave it
in the Lord's  hands, and in his timing.
Nevertheless, know that God is greater than our experiences, whether they be
bad or good.  And we can trust our Lord to do what he purposes to do in our
lives, no matter what the doctrines of man might be.

Vinny
----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2005 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: spiritual abuse


> Kerri,
>
> The bottom line is, your parents loved you enough to try and do something.
> Abuse?  Not really.  The lies you believe, on the other hand, are getting
in
> the way of your life and relationship with the Lord.  Those types of
> experiences just add fuel to the fire.  There are lies that just need to
be
> cleared up is all.  Jesus knows how to do that very well.  You did the
right
> think by bringing it up because that is what echurch is all about.
>
> Phil.
>


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