Hey, folks,

I'd like to add Just one thing which really supports what Phil is doing.  I
personally speak to people evry week who have gone through long sessions,
year after year, with therapists (some Christian, some not Christian) and
they're not healed.  Yes, some have learned to talk about their problems
quite freely, but most have not really laid them to rest.  I try not to
belittle the work they do, because I know some really care for their clients
and those who are Christians want to do the best they can - and some succeed
I'm sure - but what I see tells the story of hurting people who, despite
everything, are still not finding they have a healthy, happy Christian life!
This should not be!  No, no it shouldn't, but in many cases it is!  Perhaps
one of the reasons for this is that in these cases people are asked to do
for themselves what they cannot and should not do ("works salvation" and all
that).  Jesus is the healer, none other.  Even Phil simply goes along for
the ride - and that's true, I know!  When he has prayed with me, he has
never made suggestions as to what I should think or feel but simply asked
the Lord to show me the truth about . . . (this or that thing) which I have
needed to know.

God is good;  God is right;  God is able to do whatever He pleases and in
whatever way He chooses.  I choose not to limit Him but to give Him all the
glory in anything I see He has done!  That which He does is permanent!  It
is wonderful and He is always full of surprises!


--
Carol


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ariel" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: By Every Word Of God


> Philip, I'm going to have to ask Sandy to hit you harder.  Smile.  When I
> recommend professionals to help folks on the list I emphasize they should
be
> Christian professionals.  I love you, brother, and I'm sure your ministry
is
> a great one and much needed.  But when people are at a great distance from
> you and have a history of severe psychological and psychiatric problems
and
> they have had peace from treatments they have received, that, too is from
> GOD.  To tell them that what they have received comfort from is wrong is
to
> pull the foundation out from under them.  YES, GOD is able to heal them
and
> completely from any distance and without the help of anything and anyone
> else.  But it is irresponsible to take away the healing they have found or
> to keep them from seeking the kind of help they need within their own
area.
> They need that support.  Rather than setting up an "us" and "them" thing
> where all psychologists and psychiatrists are evil and only the Bible and
> prayer can heal problems of the mind and emotion, let's give them the
> support of both and pray that when the professional advice they receive is
> contradictory to the Word of GOD that they will find support locally with
> another professional...a Christian one if at all possible...who does not
do
> so.
>
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:05 PM
> Subject: By Every Word Of God
>
>
> > I thought it worth mentioning, since many Christians put so much stock
in
> > the professionals as if they have a corner on the market when it comes
to
> > knowing the will of God and the Word of God, that what I do in prayer
> > sessions was discovered through the Holy Spirit by a psychologist with
to
> > PHd degrees and a masters degree in family and marriage counseling.  He
> was
> > also a pastor in Southern Baptist churches for 19 years before he went
> into
> > psychological therapy practice.  However, he freely admits he didn't
learn
> > any of this in school; he Learned it because the Lord showed it to him
one
> > day when he was so frustrated with his Christian counseling ministry
that
> he
> > wanted to quit and told the Lord that.  He had been working with 8
> sexually
> > abused women and using so called Christian psychological counseling
> > techniques for up to 5 years and yet they were not healed.  Yes, they
were
> > better and on drugs to keep them under control but he wasn't satisfied
> with
> > just them being some better; he wanted God to heal them and to set them
> > free.  On the way home one night, he prayed and told the Lord he was
going
> > to quit.  The Holy Spirit began showing Him how to allow the Lord to do
> the
> > work as he did nothing but pray.  All 8 women, within another 15 to 20
> > prayer sessions, some in single prayer sessions, were not only healed
but
> > going back to their family doctors, who removed them each from the
> > antidepressants and other drugs because their own family doctors said
they
> > were no longer depressed.  He did nothing but pray.  Now he works
> > exclusively with Satanic Ritual Abuse SRA cases from all over the world
> who
> > come to him.  I took all three of his training courses but the bottom
line
> > is focused intercessory prayer on a one to one bases.  It is not
> psychology
> > or therapy or behavior modification or hypnosis or visualization or
> > suggestive imagery or regressive methodology or inner healing, or memory
> > blocking or suppressiveness feeling diversionary therapy.  It is simple
> > prayer.  Yes, I know how we, even as Christians, have been conditioned
to
> > believe more in unsaved professionals, so called, who supposedly have
> > studied human behavior and know more than the Bible about such things
but
> we
> > have been duped in to focusing on others than on God in the process.
Who
> > knows more about human behavior than the Creator of man?  Oh, I forgot.
> God
> > doesn't heal any longer.  He used to in the Old Testament and in the
very
> > early days of the New Covenant but it petered out with the last apostle,
> > whoever that was, and God can't even cure a headache any longer.  That's
> > right, just keep listening to the human reasoning and the source of that
> > human reasoning and keep living in fear and panic and doubt and fears
and
> > darkness.  When you stand before the Lord some day, though, He is going
to
> > ask you why you didn't open up all the presents He gave you while on
> earth,
> > which he bled and died for.
> >
> > Phil.
>