Amen Kerri yah Buddie.   I'm wiht you Kerri.  Grace gets us into Heaven and legalistic keeps us in boundage.  I would rather be free with Jesus's grace.

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Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
Karen Carter '74



> OH for Pete's sake, next thing you know she'll tel us we can't eat bananas,
> they're fattening, hay how about tea, even herbal tea is bound to have
> something bad in it. this is where I get off. Hve fun living your legalistic
> life.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Angel" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:48 AM
> Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> I know Christian people who are gluttons as well.  Just look at all the fat
> people in the  church.  Do I judge them?  Gluttony is a sin according to St
> Paul.  The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know Christians who
> drink soft drinks.  If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a toilet
> bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it.  I even went to a Christian church
> where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church of all
> things.  The take drugs as well.  They are always drinking caffeine.  I say
> that to say this just what is a good witness.  I really don't think we can
> really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so many
> Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach. There are
> a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex together or
> contemplating marriage.  If people are basing their relationship with Christ
> on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their personal
> relationship with Christ they will be building their house on shifting sands
> and it will fall.      ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
>
>
> > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before marriage? It
> > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to scripture
> > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be situations
> > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not all that
> > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a concern for
> > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also that of
> > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and they
> > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living righteous, I
> > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how does that
> > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the responsibility of
> > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such, and
> > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem to line
> > up biblically  or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even the
> > appearance of sin,  not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms 1 says
> >
> > Ps 1:1-2
> > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand
> > in the way of sinners
> > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
> > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> >
> > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a gradual
> > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working against the
> > law or God's Word.
> >
> > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as such
> > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What would
> > make  a couple stronger, living together because of life's circumstances
> > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are preventing a
> > couple of living as a married one.
> >
> > Brad
> >
> >
> >
> > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > I agree with you.  It seems Christians today think the devil is bound to
> > win
> > in every situation.  I think if you do live together without falling in to
> > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for each other
> > is
> > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly godly love
> > which will last through the years.  It will also serve as a testament of
> > your commitment to god's precepts.  I will pray that you be constant in
> > this
> > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last as long
> > as
> > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> >
> >
> >  > what is a vow between god and two people?  If we have vowed before God
> > and
> >  > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is living
> >  > together a sin?  We are not intimate until then.  I understand about
> >  > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you
> > strong.
> >  >
> >  > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about
> > it.  I
> >  > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just because
> > we're
> >  > going to be living together the devel is going to win.  God is the only
> > one
> >  > in control.  Is this our ideal situation?  no.  I've been through too
> > much
> >  > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i... or
> > yet
> >  > we... will not break our vow before god.
> >  >
> >  > Jenifer Barr.
> >  > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> >  > AIM: jenibear1998
> >  > msn
> >  > [log in to unmask]
> >  > ----- Original Message -----
> >  > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> >  > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >  > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> >  > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > > Hey Jen,
> >  > >         First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > inflexible
> >  > > pastor.  I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the
> > cerimony
> >  > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony.  I suppose that
> > he
> > is
> >  > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue
> > what
> >  > > that
> >  > > would be.  It seems to me that you are left with three
> > options:  switch
> >  > > pastors, move the wedding up,  or leave things as they are and trust
> > God
> >  > > for a miracle.  As a child of God, the one option that you don't
> > have,
> > is
> >  > > to move in together.  If you begin your marriage by  compromising
> > your
> >  > > principles  on something that is truly small in the grand scheme of
> >  > > things,
> >  > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones.  Believe me, the one
> > thing
> >  > > that
> >  > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely
> > creative
> >  > > in
> >  > > the solution department.  We often miss it because we get so stuck in
> >  > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones that we
> > can
> >  > > see and we shut the door on His creativity.  This is a test.  This is
> > only
> >  > > a test.  The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > solution
> > and
> >  > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
> >  > > possible.  Good luck on your adventure.  He is faithful.  Your task
> > is
> > to
> >  > > remain patient and at peace!  GRIN!
> >  > > Kathy
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> >  > >>Hi all.  As most of you know, i am getting married in november.  I
> > found
> >  > >>out
> >  > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of
> > august.
> >  > >>I
> >  > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of our
> > fiscal
> >  > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job.  Problem is though, that my
> >  > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in
> > september
> >  > >>or
> >  > >>october we would just live together until the wedding.  We both don't
> >  > >>really
> >  > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice.  I don't know what to
> > do.
> >  > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong.  Both my
> > fiancee
> >  > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex before
> >  > >>marriage
> >  > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before
> > marriage
> > a
> >  > >>sin?  Is it wrong?  And what do i do if it is?  I know of other
> > christian
> >  > >>couples who have lived together before marriage.  I am just so
> > scattered
> >  > >>right now.  Please pray for clarity for me?  And above all, pray Gods
> > will
> >  > >>be done.
> >  > >>I love you all.
> >  > >>Jenifer Barr.
> >  > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> >  > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> >  > >>msn
> >  > >>[log in to unmask]
> >  > >
>
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