John, that is so true.  I think the Salvation Army turned from Truth long
ago.  And I have known personally people who have stopped drinking but then
became addicted to the 12-step program of A A.  And as addicted to the A A
program that one man became, it didn't keep him from drinking, for he
eventually then went from that addiction back to the alcohol.  What Phil
said at the end of his post " 80 percent
 >of the members were formers addicts or alcoholics.  Notice I said former and
 >not recovering.  They don't believe, God bless them, in recovering nothing.
 >You are either free or you ain't.  Finally, somebody got it right."  I
agree with one hundred and fifty percent.
By the way, your former pastor's comment "What you win them with, you win
them to." can be a wonderful encouragement.  Gretchen is in a place where
she is being won by the Spirit of God.......therefore she is also being won
to the Spirit of God.  Isn't that just too wonderful??!!
Love to all,
Helen


Earlier, John Schwery wrote:
>Phil, it sounds like the Salvation Army has bought into the A A
>philosophy.  I suppose that A A has helped some people, but with that
>program, one goes from one addiction to the A A addiction.  One of my
>former pastors used to say, What you win them with, you win them to.  Funny
>how the Lord works in finding you a church home, getting that church from a
>bad situation.  Sort of like Joseph and his brothers.
>
>earlier, Phil Scovell, wrote:
> >this coming Wednesday, on March the seventeenth, Gretchen has to go see her
> >case officer.  This lady decides if Gretchen's gets to stay in this church
> >program or if she goes to prison instead.  Of course, Gretchen walked away
> >from the Salivation Army program after a week but this church ministry is a
> >million times better for her.  So we are just praying she gets to stay in
> >the church program and her case officer will agree.  We are all in agreement
> >about attending this church so it appears we have found a church home again.
> >By the way, for general information?  Forget about the Salivation Army drug
> >and alcohol rehab program.  There ain't nothing Christian about it any more.
> >They even make each and ever person sign up for food stamps.  Victory Out
> >Reach, where she is now, is a church of a good 300 core people.  80 percent
> >of the members were formers addicts or alcoholics.  Notice I said former and
> >not recovering.  They don't believe, God bless them, in recovering nothing.
> >You are either free or you ain't.  Finally, somebody got it right.
> >
> >Phil.
> >