Amen and Amen sister.
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Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
Karen Carter '74
> Angel,
> The difference is that soft drinks and caffene aren't addressed in
> scripture, but avoiding the appearance of evil and fornicating are! There
> are godly guidelines set out in scripture for God given reasons for how we
> are to conduct ourselves. A hundred years ago, Jen wouldn't have even been
> asking this question. She would have acceptted the social taboos and found
> another way. What has changed is society's acceptance of compromise on
> principles, but the godly principles themselves have not changed and
> neither has God. He must have wanted these boundaries in place for a
> reason and this couple will have the best possible outcome if they trust
> God, obey Him and find His solution for their problem. It is there if one
> is patient, prayerful and willing to comply.
> Kathy
>
>
> At 06:01 PM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
> >I know this. This is why I was saying that we can not judge whether or not
> >one is a good Christian witness by the way he lives his life as all
> >Christians are imperfectly living their lives and in most cases it is
> >condoned. I am guilty of living an imperfect life myself so whatever this
> >couple does if they feel it is rite in the sight of god they should do it
> >without really worrying over how it may appear too others.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "virgie underwood" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 10:42 AM
> >Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> >
> >
> > > Angel,
> > > When I was attending a Catholic church, they use to have a Sunday morning
> > > breakfast.
> > > There is a school attached to the church, but still, we had breakfast and
> > > there were soft drink machines there also.
> > > My point is that Catholics and Protestants both are doing the same thing.
> > > I have a big enough job taking care of my business and keeping my nose
> > > clean that I do not have time to worry about those small things.
> > > When we meet Jesus face to face, he will know what is in our hearts and I
> > > do not believe that we will be judged by whether we are drinking soft
> > > drinks from the vending machine, or drinking coffee from a coffee pot.
> > > I believe we will be judged according to what is in our hearts, and how we
> > > have treated our each other.
> > > Just my thoughts.
> > > Blessings to all!
> > > Virgie At 08:48 AM 7/21/2005, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >I know Christian people who are gluttons as well. Just look at all the
> >fat
> > > >people in the church. Do I judge them? Gluttony is a sin according to
> >St
> > > >Paul. The body is the temple of the holy spirit and I know Christians
> >who
> > > >drink soft drinks. If a soft drink can clean the porcelain off a toilet
> > > >bole I know I wouldn't want to drink it. I even went to a Christian
> >church
> > > >where there was a soft drink machine in the basement of the church of all
> > > >things. The take drugs as well. They are always drinking caffeine. I
> >say
> > > >that to say this just what is a good witness. I really don't think we
> >can
> > > >really say what is a good witness for Christ when there are so many
> > > >Christian hypocrites around who do not practice what they preach. There
> >are
> > > >a lot of male female room mates who aren't either having sex together or
> > > >contemplating marriage. If people are basing their relationship with
> >Christ
> > > >on merely looking at how people around them live and not on their
> >personal
> > > >relationship with Christ they will be building their house on shifting
> >sands
> > > >and it will fall. ----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 7:47 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Do we have a godly biblical example of living together before
> >marriage? It
> > > > > is always best, prudent and wise to bring our situations back to
> >scripture
> > > > > no matter how it might cut cross grain to us. Their may be situations
> > > > > today that may not have existed then, but come to think of it not all
> >that
> > > > > many. In any event giving the appearance of evil is not only a concern
> >for
> > > > > ourselves, in our own conern of what people may think, but also that
> >of
> > > > > all Christians. What if you tried witnessing to a non-believer and
> >they
> > > > > said "Don't talk to me about being high and mighty or living
> >righteous, I
> > > > > know a christian couple who lived together before marriage, how does
> >that
> > > > > differ from non-Christians today?". You see we bare the responsibility
> >of
> > > > > wearing Christ-like across our chest when we are known as such, and
> > > > > appearing as non-believers with a live-in situation doesn't seem to
> >line
> > > > > up biblically or doing as the Word says, to stay away from even the
> > > > > appearance of sin, not to mention surposefully put ourselves in
> > > > > temptations way no matter how strong we feel our faith is. Psalms 1
> >says
> > > > >
> > > > > Ps 1:1-2
> > > > > Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or
> >stand
> > > > > in the way of sinners
> > > > > or sit in the seat of mockers. But his delight is in the law of the
> >LORD,
> > > > > and on his law he meditates day and night.
> > > > >
> > > > > Notice the progression of "walk", "stand" and "sit" it cannotes a
> >gradual
> > > > > decline if allowed to entertain the ideals of ideals working against
> >the
> > > > > law or God's Word.
> > > > >
> > > > > I saw a message somewhere about if one gives in to a principle as such
> > > > > now, how that might affect futre decisoins and ect. I agree. What
> >would
> > > > > make a couple stronger, living together because of life's
> >circumstances
> > > > > or arranging other means until that day when no holds are preventing a
> > > > > couple of living as a married one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > on 02:47 AM 7/21/2005, Angel said:
> > > > > I agree with you. It seems Christians today think the devil is bound
> >to
> > > > > win
> > > > > in every situation. I think if you do live together without falling
> >in to
> > > > > sin it will prove to you more than anything else your love for each
> >other
> > > > > is
> > > > > not based on mere physical attraction but instead is a heavenly godly
> >love
> > > > > which will last through the years. It will also serve as a testament
> >of
> > > > > your commitment to god's precepts. I will pray that you be constant
> >in
> > > > > this
> > > > > commitment which I know you will and that your marriage will last as
> >long
> > > > > as
> > > > > the firm foundation on which it will be built which is Christ.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jenifer Barr" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 9:36 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > what is a vow between god and two people? If we have vowed before
> >God
> > > > > and
> > > > > > each other that sex will not occur until marriage, then why is
> >living
> > > > > > together a sin? We are not intimate until then. I understand
> >about
> > > > > > temptation but that's when you pray every day that God keeps you
> > > > > strong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our situation is unique and it's not like we haven't prayed about
> > > > > it. I
> > > > > > guess I'm just hurt because everyone seems to think that just
> >because
> > > > > we're
> > > > > > going to be living together the devel is going to win. God is the
> >only
> > > > > one
> > > > > > in control. Is this our ideal situation? no. I've been through
> >too
> > > > > much
> > > > > > in the past to know what temptation can do to someone... and i...
> >or
> > > > > yet
> > > > > > we... will not break our vow before god.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > msn
> > > > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 2:06 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: question, problem, and prayer request.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey Jen,
> > > > > > > First of all, I'm sorry that you are dealing with an
> > > > > inflexible
> > > > > > > pastor. I don't see what difference it makes to him whether the
> > > > > cerimony
> > > > > > > is big or small, before or after the civil cerimony. I suppose
> >that
> > > > > he
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > standing on something for theological reasons, but I have no clue
> > > > > what
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > would be. It seems to me that you are left with three
> > > > > options: switch
> > > > > > > pastors, move the wedding up, or leave things as they are and
> >trust
> > > > > God
> > > > > > > for a miracle. As a child of God, the one option that you don't
> > > > > have,
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > to move in together. If you begin your marriage by compromising
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > principles on something that is truly small in the grand scheme
> >of
> > > > > > > things,
> > > > > > > how can you be trusted for the bigger ones. Believe me, the one
> > > > > thing
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > I am learning about our heavenly Father is that he is extremely
> > > > > creative
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > the solution department. We often miss it because we get so
> >stuck in
> > > > > > > thinking that the only solutions available to us are the ones
> >that we
> > > > > can
> > > > > > > see and we shut the door on His creativity. This is a test.
> >This is
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > a test. The question is, will you trust Him and wait for His
> > > > > solution
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > timing or will you continue to see with earthly eyes only what is
> > > > > > > possible. Good luck on your adventure. He is faithful. Your
> >task
> > > > > is
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > remain patient and at peace! GRIN!
> > > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At 05:17 PM 7/18/2005, you wrote:
> > > > > > >>Hi all. As most of you know, i am getting married in november.
> >I
> > > > > found
> > > > > > >>out
> > > > > > >>today from work that they want me to transfer in the beginning of
> > > > > august.
> > > > > > >>I
> > > > > > >>can't tell them i won't transfer then because it is the end of
> >our
> > > > > fiscal
> > > > > > >>year august 31 and i could forfit my job. Problem is though,
> >that my
> > > > > > >>fiancee and I decided that to save money... if i had to move in
> > > > > september
> > > > > > >>or
> > > > > > >>october we would just live together until the wedding. We both
> >don't
> > > > > > >>really
> > > > > > >>like the idea but it's like we have no choice. I don't know what
> >to
> > > > > do.
> > > > > > >>I'm so confused... i don't know what is right and wrong. Both my
> > > > > fiancee
> > > > > > >>and I are born-again Christians, we will in no way have sex
> >before
> > > > > > >>marriage
> > > > > > >>so if we made/make that pledge to god is living together before
> > > > > marriage
> > > > > a
> > > > > > >>sin? Is it wrong? And what do i do if it is? I know of other
> > > > > christian
> > > > > > >>couples who have lived together before marriage. I am just so
> > > > > scattered
> > > > > > >>right now. Please pray for clarity for me? And above all, pray
> >Gods
> > > > > will
> > > > > > >>be done.
> > > > > > >>I love you all.
> > > > > > >>Jenifer Barr.
> > > > > > >>When the trumpet blows... I'm outta here!
> > > > > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > > > >>msn
> > > > > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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