Pat,

I listened to both programs.  One guest on there has not only written a
comprehensive book but you can get an additional work book and a DVD so a
person can follow everything that is being discussed.  He also interviews,
on the DVD, four Biblical schollars.  So I would say that material would be
well worth it.  Just calling them would be the easiest thing to do.  I'm
thinking about doing that myself.

Phil.